Wednesday's News: High spirits and no booze?

[SwingMan]

Revived spirit powered big win (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0108sunsnb.html)

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Shawn Marion didn't only make 3s on Monday. Here he jams home two as the Nuggets' Marcus Camby can only watch.

Doug Haller
The Arizona Republic
Jan. 8, 2008 09:59 PM

Monday night's 3-point barrage wasn't the cure for the Suns' recent in-house troubles. It simply was the reward.

For one night, the Suns put aside the "gloom and doom," according to Mike D'Antoni, and just went out and played. The Suns' coach said he noticed a better spirit from everyone, especially Shawn Marion.

The versatile forward hit five 3-pointers in the first half, pumping his fist, strutting and yelling.
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"All in good intentions," Marion assured after Tuesday's practice. He finished with 27 points, the most he has scored since April 16.

D'Antoni wasn't sure if Marion's shooting boosted his confidence or vice versa, but he did know one thing.

"When (Marion's) head is clear and happy and his confidence is going, he's one of the best in the league, and he showed it (Monday) night," D'Antoni said. "Not because he was five out of (nine from 3-point range), but because he had six blocks, 14 rebounds and did everything in between. Those shots were a bonus."

The Suns' 20 3-pointers against Denver tied a franchise record. In addition to Marion's output, reserve Marcus Banks hit seven. Six others, including post player Brian Skinner, hit at least one.

"We were clicking on all cylinders," Marion said. "It was very good to see. We came to play. You could see it in everybody."

Banks: Let's do it again

After Banks hit his first two 3-pointers against Denver, he thought, "Why not keep shooting?" He finished with a season-high 23 points, hitting 7 of 8 from behind the arc.

"I would love to do it again," Banks said. "You know what I mean? I had a blast. It was fun getting back out there on the court, having a good time and helping contribute to this win."

Banks has spent most of the season on the edge of D'Antoni's rotation, playing only because of other players' foul troubles or injuries. That could change, D'Antoni said, and not just because of Banks' recent shooting. He praised Banks' shot selection, his perimeter defense and overall awareness.

"We need him," D'Antoni said. "That's why we got him. Now it's up to him. And if he plays like that, he's going to play. There's no doubt about that."

Said Banks: "Whenever he needs me, I'm coming in and giving 110 percent."

Not all that bad

Center Amaré Stoudemire's decision to skip Sunday's practice (he said his children were sick) revived talk about the team's chemistry issues. On that note, D'Antoni said the Suns picked a good time to have a decent game.

"But what gets lost in the shuffle is we have won five out of the last six games," he said.

One hot-shooting game solves little, but another chance surfaces with Wednesday's home against Indiana.

"Sometimes you can't fix problems until you hit the bottom," D'Antoni said. "That's when you rely on the character of the guys (on the team). We don't have bad guys. They don't stray too far, and we don't get too crazy. We can solve problems."

Wednesday's game

Pacers at Suns

When: 7 p.m.
Where: US Airways Center.
TV/radio: My45/KTAR-AM (620).

Indiana update: The Pacers (16-19) had lost six of seven going into Tuesday's game at Utah. They have struggled without PG Jamaal Tinsley, who is day to day with a sore left thigh. Mike Dunleavy averages 17.3 points and is shooting a career-best 43.7 percent from 3-point range. Danny Granger scores 16.5 points, and Jermaine O'Neal contributes 15.8 points and 7.4 rebounds. Marquis Daniels is day-to-day with a sore right shoulder.

[Mori_Chu]

"We need him," D'Antoni said. "That's why we got him. Now it's up to him. And if he plays like that, he's going to play. There's no doubt about that."

This is a much better and more encouraging quote from Coach. But he should also realize that Banks WON'T play quite like that again. He is probably never going to hit 7/8 threes in the rest of his career as a Sun. Hopefully Coach will play Banks even when he isn't literally hitting every long shot he puts up.

[JackArse]

well, d'antoni was talking with gambo and ash, and he said that now 'banks has earned the right to screw up' so he's going to be giving him more leeway, i think alot of it is going to be the intensity. banks was interviewed too, and he seemed to understand more that he can't go out there worrying about screwing up, just as to put in the energy and effort, and it'll come.

[Wormwood]

If Banks shows up to every game on the "hungry" bus as McAllum called it, D'Antoni is more likely to give him a chance. I tend to think Gambo and Ash's assesment that he was last in, first out was correct. Hopefullt, Banks caught on to this and realized if he ever wants another NBA contract he'd better statr doing more than giving lip service to hard work.

[jed]

well, d'antoni was talking with gambo and ash, and he said that now 'banks has earned the right to screw up' so he's going to be giving him more leeway, i think alot of it is going to be the intensity. banks was interviewed too, and he seemed to understand more that he can't go out there worrying about screwing up, just as to put in the energy and effort, and it'll come.

Great, Mike. So how exactly has Boris earned that right so frequently?

[jkalldaway]

From Hollinger:

Center: Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3607), Suns
Chide him for his periodic defensive lapses if you will, but there's no question that Stoudemire is a devastating offensive force. He ranks third in the NBA in PER and is shooting a ridiculous 58.3 percent from the field. Usually players who shoot that well are doing it with few attempts, but Stoudemire is pumping in 27.9 points per 40 minutes. Even while averaging only 31.4 minutes per game due to frequent foul trouble, there's no question that he has been the West's most proficient center (http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics?sort=per&qual=true&pos=c&seasonType=2) this season. In fact, his numbers are almost an exact replica of his 2004-05 stats suggesting he's finally back to his pre-microfracture self.

[Coop]

Now that is what we want to hear.

[EDC]

His shooting percentage is just off the charts. I believe Dwight Howard's is slightly better but all his shots are dunks for the most part. Amare's jumpshot has just been so money. His shooting touch is great even his misses normally just rattle around softly on the rim then roll out. He could easily average 30 points a game without causing detriment to the team because of that shooting percentage and how often he gets fouled. The guy is just a beast and anyone who ever brings up the idea of trading him should be shot. :)

[tbrkingofthesouth]

good news

[JustWinBaby]

His shooting percentage is just off the charts. I believe Dwight Howard's is slightly better but all his shots are dunks for the most part. Amare's jumpshot has just been so money. His shooting touch is great even his misses normally just rattle around softly on the rim then roll out. He could easily average 30 points a game without causing detriment to the team because of that shooting percentage and how often he gets fouled. The guy is just a beast and anyone who ever brings up the idea of trading him should be shot. :)

I am glad someone else realizes his worth.

Boston's record nonwithstanding, microfracture nonwithstanding, no I still wouldn't trade Amare for Garnett.

[SpecialSauce]

Neither would I, but I would trade a combination of ANYBODY else on our team (except Nash of course) for him.

Minny wanted Marion + Barbosa? Sure.

Barbosa + our 1st rounders till 3000? Sure.

Bell + Barbosa + Diaw? Sure.

[jed]

His shooting percentage is just off the charts. I believe Dwight Howard's is slightly better but all his shots are dunks for the most part. Amare's jumpshot has just been so money. His shooting touch is great even his misses normally just rattle around softly on the rim then roll out. He could easily average 30 points a game without causing detriment to the team because of that shooting percentage and how often he gets fouled. The guy is just a beast and anyone who ever brings up the idea of trading him should be shot. :)

I am glad someone else realizes his worth.

Boston's record nonwithstanding, microfracture nonwithstanding, no I still wouldn't trade Amare for Garnett.

Interesting take, as that same Hollinger assessment said just as much in the positive column about Garnett.

[JustWinBaby]

His shooting percentage is just off the charts. I believe Dwight Howard's is slightly better but all his shots are dunks for the most part. Amare's jumpshot has just been so money. His shooting touch is great even his misses normally just rattle around softly on the rim then roll out. He could easily average 30 points a game without causing detriment to the team because of that shooting percentage and how often he gets fouled. The guy is just a beast and anyone who ever brings up the idea of trading him should be shot. :)

I am glad someone else realizes his worth.

Boston's record nonwithstanding, microfracture nonwithstanding, no I still wouldn't trade Amare for Garnett.

Interesting take, as that same Hollinger assessment said just as much in the positive column about Garnett.

STAT is 25 years old -

[misteradiant]

black jesus died for your sins. go sins! i mean go suns!

[misteradiant]

http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2008/01/dear-suns-please-stop-sucking.html

[Mori_Chu]

Barbosa + our 1st rounders till 3000? Sure.

Sorry, we already sold those picks to Portland for $3m. Not apiece, for the whole lot.

[da_suns_fan]

http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2008/01/dear-suns-please-stop-sucking.html


Could someone please post this article...my work filter won't allow me to view it.

Thanks.

[jed]

His shooting percentage is just off the charts. I believe Dwight Howard's is slightly better but all his shots are dunks for the most part. Amare's jumpshot has just been so money. His shooting touch is great even his misses normally just rattle around softly on the rim then roll out. He could easily average 30 points a game without causing detriment to the team because of that shooting percentage and how often he gets fouled. The guy is just a beast and anyone who ever brings up the idea of trading him should be shot. :)

I am glad someone else realizes his worth.

Boston's record nonwithstanding, microfracture nonwithstanding, no I still wouldn't trade Amare for Garnett.

Interesting take, as that same Hollinger assessment said just as much in the positive column about Garnett.

STAT is 25 years old -

With two iffy knees.

I love what he does. He's my favorite Suns player right now. But let's call it like it is.

[MEE]

http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2008/01/dear-suns-please-stop-sucking.html


Could someone please post this article...my work filter won't allow me to view it.

Thanks.


Dear Suns: Please stop sucking (http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2008/01/dear-suns-please-stop-sucking.html)

Wednesday, January 09, 2008
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Something's wrong in the Valley ofthe Sun. And Nash is pissed about it.

The Suns suck. Relatively speaking, of course. I mean, they're still one of the league's elite teams. At 24-10, they have the best record in the Western Conference, and the third best record in the NBA, behind only Boston (29-3) and Detroit (26-8). In truth, they're only a couple victories off last season's 61-win pace; after 34 games last year, the Suns were 26-8, en route to the league's second-best record. But there's something wrong, something off about the team. I really believe that.

I'm no John Hollinger, but I decided to do a basic statistical comparison, determined to find the smoking gun:

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Well, okay. Wow. No smoking guns there. The Suns' scoring and shooting numbers are nearly identical to last season. Their assist and rebounding numbers are up slightly, as are their steals and blocked shots. Alrighty then, let's look at what the Suns' opponents are doing this season:

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Now we have something to go on. Teams are scoring and (especially) rebounding better against the Suns this season. Just for the hell of it, let's look at the Suns' differentials:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2376/2180824834_af3ea653f4.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/39453023@N00/2180824834/)So the Suns' biggest problem (and I'm not the first person to mention this) seems to be rebounding, where their negative differential has dropped from -2.3 to -5.6. And in case you were wondering -- and even if you weren't -- the answer is yes: The Suns have the worst rebounding differential in the league. Only the Golden State Warriors (-5.3) are nearly as bad on the boards; the next closest team is the Clippers (-2.8).

The Suns really miss Kurt Thomas. And not just his numbers. They have rebounders; Shawn Marion is pulling down 10.1 rebounds per game, and Amare Stoudemire is grabbing 9.1 per. What they miss is a big man who plays solid interior defense, who's willing to put a body on people and mix it up in the paint. Stoudemire may be averaging 2.3 blocked shots per game, but he's a paratrooper; he likes to fly through the air and send shots into the crowd. He's not a physical player. Every team needs at least one big man who likes the rough stuff, even if that player doesn't contribute in obvious ways. Take Portland's Joel Przybilla. His 4.6 PPG and 6.9 RPG aren't going to get him onto the All-Star team, but his toughness inside the paint is a game-changing element for the Blazers.

The Suns don't have that toughness inside. Physically or emotionally. We all know Shawn "I think it's time for me to move on" Marion wants more money and more acclaim, preferably elsewhere (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/0925marion-ON.html). It's as if his $16,440,000 salary (good for 12th in the league and 1st on his team) isn't real, and his four All-Star appearances and two All-NBA Third Team honors never happened.

Stoudemire, as everybody knows, wants to be The Man in Phoenix. He leads the team in PPG (22.0) and FGA (14.0), but he also gets visibly frustrated when he isn't getting his shots. Amare claimed that he missed the Suns' 45-minute practice on Sunday because his kids were ill (http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/0108sunsside0108.html), but the reality seems to be that Stoudemire himself was sick about only getting 11 shots in Saturday's tough 118-113 loss to the New Orleans Hornets. In that game, Stoudemire went shotless in the third quarter, and then went shotless again for the final six minutes of the game until a last-second three-point attempt. After the game, he punched his palm and told reporters, "We've got to all get on the same page!"

Steve Nash is still Steve Nash, the best point guard in basketball (although Jason Kidd is still a triple-double machine, and young guys like Chris Paul and Deron Williams are hot on Nash's heels). But he doesn't command the respect, or fear, of other great players have. Scottie Pippen might have secretly hated Jordon, and envied his position as the Bulls' Alpha Dog, but he never seriously tried (or expected) to supplant him, just as Kevin McHale and James Worthy had no misconceptions about their respective places in the pecking order behind Larry Bird and Magic Johnson. For whatever reason, Nash's teammates -- Marion and Stoudemire at least -- don't have the same level of reverence for their two-time MVP. After Stoudemire's missed practice, Nash said, "If that stuff is going on, it needs to be stopped or else we can kiss it goodbye, because you can't win at this level if you don't have great chemistry and you don't pull for each other. If you're worried about your shots or about yourself or making excuses and pointing fingers at other players, that's for losers."

Bird, Jordan, and Magic used to say stuff like that, and their teams (usually) responded. After the Celtics lost to the Lakers by 33 points in Game 3 of the 1984 NBA Finals, Bird called his teammates (and himself) "a bunch of sissies." The next game, Kevin McHale clotheslined Kurt Rambis, Bird hip-checked Michael Cooper into the stands, and the Celtics beat the Lakers in overtime (after which Bird, assessing his team's improved performance, said, "Yeah, we [only] played like a bunch of women tonight."). I just don't see the Suns reacting the same way to Nash's sometimes frequent critiques.

I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the Suns did respond to Nash's tough love. After all, they came out on Monday and dropped 137 points on the Nuggets. Marion hit five three-pointers on his way to a season-high 27 points. Stoudemire got 13 shots and had 20 points and 10 rebounds. Even the much-maligned Marcus Banks got into the game, and into the act, scoring 23 points (7-for-8) in almost 20 minutes of action.

The question is: Will it last? Are the Suns chemistry issues over? I doubt it. Marion will become a free agent at the end of this season. The Suns clearly haven't decided what they want to do with him, and he knows that. Marion doesn't know whether he wants to remain loyal to the Suns or seek more money and glory somewhere else, and the Suns know that. Stoudemire wants to be The Man on his team and one of the best centers in the league, but he doesn't want to to the dirty work (blocking out, getting physical inside, laying the wood on the opposing team's big men) that centers are supposed to do. And Nash, well, no one really knows how long he's going to hold up. Meanwhile, Raja Bell's health has been spotty and his numbers are down. Leandro Barbosa has taken a small step back this season, and Boris Diaw has taken a huge leap back. Nobody knows how long Grant Hill's body is going to hold up (although the Suns are no doubt praying for a miracle "Bill Walton in 1986" season from him). And nobody knows whether D'Antoni will ever feel completely comfortable utilizing his bench.
I know I might be overreacting. The Suns are still good. Really good. Maybe my expectations are too high. Maybe seeing them get mandhandled twice by the Lakers got me too worked up. And maybe seeing the chemistry and joy in Portland reminds me of how much fun the Suns were having during their big winning streaks last season, and the season before that, and the season before that. I guess, in the end, I just want a little more fun in the Suns. Is that too much to ask?
Quick fixes: Personally, I think Kerr should trade Marion (before he bolts in the off-season) for a sturdy, defense-oriented big man, and move Stoudemire to the power forward position (which is his natural position). Then you can slide Grant Hill to the small forward (as long as his body holds up), and play Nash and Bell at the guard spots. Play Brian Skinner as much as you can, even if he isn't putting up big numbers. And D'Antoni needs to develop a set rotation.
Update: Is Shawn Marion just too good for the Suns? The gentlemen at Hardwood Paroxysm think so (http://hardwoodparoxysm.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-shawn-marion-is-too-good-for-suns.html). And you know what? They may be right.