Internet/Message Board Trade Rumors

[torres]

I always find these fun to discuss, regardless if they're bound to happen or not. This is the latest one I found on RealGm's Sixers board. Also, just because a trade doesn't happen doesn't mean that the teams were never on the phone talking about a possible deal.

My guess is that this is what the Suns are offering:

Suns get: Andre Iguodala, Samuel Dalembert
Sixers get: Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Eric Piatkowski, and Atlanta's 2008 1st Round Pick (or Alando Tucker instead of Atlanta's pick, with the Sixers throwing in one of their future picks)

Seems too good to be true, but I wouldn't be surprised if Steve Kerr made them that offer.

PG: Steve Nash
SG: Andre Iguodala
SF: Shawn Marion
PF: Amare Stoudemire
C: Samuel Dalembert

Off the bench: Grant Hill, Raja Bell, Brian Skinner, Marcus Banks

Feel free to call ASS! on this deal, but I didn't think there was anything to lose with posting about it on this board.

http://realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=742669


Let me start by saying that I'm not going to reveal my source on this and you question me all you want. I know that many may think that this is not true what I'm about to say. I understand your concern but beleive when I say that there is huge speculation that the Suns are in the verge of making a huge trade with the 76rs.My source that I talked to asked me not to associate his name with this rumor.

Supposedly the Suns have been in seriousle talk with the 76ers before the Suns/Mavs game about a trade that would bring Andre Iguodala to the Suns. Here are the premises of the trade.

The Suns would get Andre Iguodala, Samuel Delembert. The thing about Delembert is that he has 43.6 millions for 4 yrs left on his contract which scares the Suns if Marion does not opt out. They beleive that Dalambert is not a one on one great post defender but is a great weak side defender. With Amare and Dalambert the Suns feel like they have a their own version of the twins towers. Dalambert will not slow down the Suns in their offensive attack and is a great rebounder which would complement Marion as well.

Now the real reason for this trade is getting Aguodala. The Suns beleive that he is an excellent finisher who had the ability to defend like Marion but also will be happy to be the third or fourth option unlike Marion. He is due an contract which many beleive that the 76rs are not willing to give him more than 7-9 million a a year. The Suns are willing to give him about 10-12 mil only if Marion is to opt out next yr. But if Marion does not opt out the Suns would be in Seriouse cap promblems.

Now to what we need to give up for them. The Suns are willing to give up Barbosa, Diaw and Piawkaski along with the Atlanta's pick for 2008. But the Suns are holding their breath becouse the 76rs are willing to take on Tucker instead of the Atlanta pick only if we give them a future 1st round pick.

Is Barbosa a #1 in yor mind?? Many people compare him TALENT wise to a Allen Iverson. Of course you and I agree that's not true but he can score in bunches. Diaw is a great playmaker who can score but does not fit in with the Suns. Piawkaski is a expiring contract and the Tucker is an explosive scorer who can jump out of the gym.

From a 76rs point of view, are you guys willing to make his trade???

[Mori_Chu]

I thought we were trying to get Andre MILLER from the 6ers, not Andre Iguodala. And isn't Iguodala set to receive a way-overpriced contract after this season? And doesn't he think he's "the man" in Philly??

[Shabazz]

I have a tough time believing that this guy has sources in the Sixers front office but can't spell the names of any of their players.

[Bogyo]

I don't really see how this helps the Sixers, there are big questionmarks about the mentioned Suns players (Babs - playing with controll, Diaw - let's not even go there, Tucker - not developed rook, or a mid first round pick), unless they really hate Dalambert and don't like Iggy for 9-10 mill a year. Altough I also believe 7-8 million would be more reasonable for him, but it's not a "Banks-like" contract. But if all of our players work out for Philly they can be playoff bound next year.

As for the Suns part: we get rid of a bad contract, a real good one, and a rook (or god forbid) another draft pick for a very good player looking to get paid, and an overpaid center. The keyword in that sentence was center. The Suns would have a center. Can you believe that? The sad part is that Marion will check the market before opting out, and will find out that noone in their right mind (not even NY) will pay him 16-18 mill for 5-6 years. So we would lose out on Iggy or ship Marion to a place where he doesn't want to play for shwag. That shouldn't happen to him.

So risky on both sides, one of the teams will chicken out of it, if this has any truth in it.

[sunsdotcom]

delambert's contract plus iggy's soon to be overpriced contract? sarver's not gonna like overpaying them two.

[SwingMan]

Get a rope.....

[Andy_S]

Let me start by saying that I'm not going to reveal my source on this and you question me all you want. I know that many may think that this is not true what I'm about to say. I understand your concern but beleive when I say that there is huge speculation that the Suns are in the verge of making a huge trade with the 76rs.

I, for one, always put faith in the word of a guy who can't reveal his sources. Because it shows he has INTEGRITY. He vowed not to reveal his source, so surely I can trust that he won't lie to me either? Plus, the fact that he took three full sentences to reassure me that he was, in fact, not making crap up really does, in fact, make me beleive [sic] that he is not making crap up. Because as GWB once put it, you've gotta repeat things over and over again to drive home the rhetoric.

But, the reason I really think this may happen is that he takes such a hard line on it. See, the poster of this rumor has a source (who can't be named), and that source assures him (the poster) that there is "huge speculation" that the Suns might be considering this trade.

And, the fact that the poster can't spell worth a damn, either the names of the players involved, or other common words in the English language, and also doesn't know how to string a sentence together to save his grandma's life -- that doesn't bother me. He's got passion.

Anyway, torres, interesting thread, however if it does happen, it is in spite of the fact that a sixers fan fell asleep while high and dreamed it would happen.

[Bogyo]

delambert's contract plus iggy's soon to be overpriced contract? sarver's not gonna like overpaying them two.

Unless if its better overpaying those two then Shawn and Doris. What could be the case if this is legit (doubt it).

[Mori_Chu]

Is Dalembert even playing well this year? He showed great promise many years ago, but I thought he became an albatross almost immediately after Philly signed him. Has he come around or something?

EDIT: I'll answer my own question. 11ppg, 9.8rpg, 2.63 blocks, .536 FG%. Not bad.

[Bogyo]

Like 12pts (53fgp) and 10 boards in 32 mins with 2.6 blocks. He is doing good.

[DrSublime]

id do that trade in a hearbeat.

[JustWinBaby]

Dalembert and Miller are the only two names on that roster that could help us win a Championship, that is the goal correct.

Iggy is overated in my mind and would have no place to play unless shooting guard and he can't shoot. I guess Hill could move there but I still am not a fan of Iggy.

Besides, while be highly critical of Barbosa play and the point, he is someone we really need to keep if used correctly.

The other two names that interest me out there are:

Mike Miller and Drew Gooden - both reportedly on the trading block.

If we are to trade Boris in these scenarios Drew Gooden makes the most sense for the good of our team. We need rebounding. However both the Cavs and us are over the LT and a trade would keep us both over the LT - probably won't happen unless we like Gooden and are willing to take on another contract we may not like.

Boris and Banks for Gooden and choice of Eric Snow or Damon Jones could be worked out.

Boris for Mike Miller would work for me as well, especially if we have PJ Brown on the back burner. Memphis has room to take on more salary and avoid paying the LT. They seem like a logical candidate for a Boris move.

I doubt anything will happen but the Suns seem to be pimping Boris just like the have Banks about how great they are while both have underacheived. The positive spin they have been putting on these guys have to be for a reason.

My bet is none of this happens. Just wasting time till 3:00PM today and see how we do against a team that could be every bit as tough as anyone come playoff time.

Go Suns

[Split_T's]

with barbosa and diaw the principle trading blocks from our side this trade is almost impossible because they are byc players. Even with the trade exceptions I couldnt get it to work. The only trade that worked was Marion and Barbosa for Daly miller and iggy. Honestly it can be fun to think about, but I dont know why the heck Philly does any of this. Marion would be for cap relief, they'd hope he opted out. Barbosa would be who they want but they already got a super quick unguardable combo gaurd in Louis Williams.

It would be an interesting lineup

Nash/Miller
Iggy/Bell
Hill
Amare/Diaw
Dalembert/Skinner

We really lose some shooting. Iggy is ok but he is not a legit 3 pt threat. However he can create his own shot and create for others. We would be deep. Fun to think about, but not realistic.

[y2jjedipimp]

Igoudala with 19 pts at half tonight....must be something to it ;)

[singh]

wallace is on the block, I know a marion for wallace trade works straight up but i don't think it is a good deal for us unless we can unload banks and get sefolosha?

I am goig to start that rumor

[SunsFan4Life]

Ben wallace might have the worst contract in the NBA. I'll pass

[SunsFan4Life]

As I put in the weds news thread...Somthng with Memphis for either Miller,Warrick,Stoudemire(Lowry would be ideal but doubt they trade him) would be great. Judging by the Suns History though besides The Jimmy Jackson trade nothing has happened in recent years.

[Shabazz]

wallace is on the block, I know a marion for wallace trade works straight up but i don't think it is a good deal for us unless we can unload banks and get sefolosha?

I am goig to start that rumor

Please kill that one before anyone else comments on it. One of the worst trades i've ever heard for us. Sure it would be nice to have a defensive center, but wallace stopped being useful on defense 3 years ago, not to mention the fact that he's possibly the worst offensive player inthe NBA.

Thabo might turn out to be the best mistake we never made.

I'll take Marion and Banks' contract.

[singh]

wallace is on the block, I know a marion for wallace trade works straight up but i don't think it is a good deal for us unless we can unload banks and get sefolosha?

I am going to start that rumor

Please kill that one before anyone else comments on it. One of the worst trades i've ever heard for us. Sure it would be nice to have a defensive center, but wallace stopped being useful on defense 3 years ago, not to mention the fact that he's possibly the worst offensive player inthe NBA.

Thabo might turn out to be the best mistake we never made.

I'll take Marion and Banks' contract.

no no
I am going to start it and post it everywhere
mwahahahahahaha

in seriousness,

wallace would not work here, but i think his lack of "usefullness" is more because of skiles system. While his production declined in Detroit, I would think he would be very effective against TIm Duncan, Chris Kaman, Marcus Camby, and yes Bynum. It will be interesting to see where he lands, and as far as worst contract, I think he only has two years left, he'd be the kind of guy a team can get now to help them this year and then auction of for a draft pick next year to a team looking to bring in cap relief.

Thabo would be perfect here
kind of like a JJ light, of course he would not start ahead of Bell or Hill, but he would be solid

Anywhoo, since this thread is about trades, I thought I would put it there. And I don't think its worse than some of the crap that others have posted here

[singh]

The Grizzlies love Lowry, Mighty Mouse is the most likely to be traded ( he kind of demanded one last year...but backed off) would be an excellent backup to Nash provided he is ok being a back up. (If i were him, knowing about his knees etc I would be ok backing up the MVP) I also would think that if they keep losing at the clip they are, the grizz will prob release him like they did with Eddie Jones after the trading deadline (if they can't find a trading partner)

[JustWinBaby]

The Grizzlies love Lowry, Mighty Mouse is the most likely to be traded ( he kind of demanded one last year...but backed off) would be an excellent backup to Nash provided he is ok being a back up. (If i were him, knowing about his knees etc I would be ok backing up the MVP) I also would think that if they keep losing at the clip they are, the grizz will prob release him like they did with Eddie Jones after the trading deadline (if they can't find a trading partner)


If you are taling about Stoudamire

NO THANKS

I would rather have Barbosa running the point

[singh]

The Grizzlies love Lowry, Mighty Mouse is the most likely to be traded ( he kind of demanded one last year...but backed off) would be an excellent backup to Nash provided he is ok being a back up. (If i were him, knowing about his knees etc I would be ok backing up the MVP) I also would think that if they keep losing at the clip they are, the grizz will prob release him like they did with Eddie Jones after the trading deadline (if they can't find a trading partner)


If you are taling about Stoudamire

NO THANKS

I would rather have Barbosa running the point

are you saying that from a morality standpoint or a bball standpoint, because i would like to know who on this board thinks that LB is a better POINT GUARD than mighty mouse (and yes that is stoudamire). He is better at the point than LB and Marcus banks, but I don't think he is capable of starting at this point and especially on the Suns. He is a GOOD option (and better than a lot of the ones out there) at backup pg. Perosnally I would rather have Andre miller, or kyle lowry but thats not gonna happen at this point. I am just saying if the grizz were to waive him, then he would be a good pickup for the remainder of the year.

[Shabazz]

I've come up with 2 trades that I think might help the Suns. One minor, one major:

Minor trade:

Suns trade: Marcus Banks
Suns get: Damon Jones

Jones is probably a talent downgrade and may not get minutes, but he's a better shooter and his contract expires after next year. I actually think the Cavs would do this trade too because they get a good point guard for their system.

Major trade:

Suns trade: Banks, Diaw, Strawberry
Suns get: Gooden, Damon Jones

This one I have a tougher time seeing the Cavs doing. But with Varejao back, Gooden's minutes have been dropping, and I don't think LeBron likes Gooden very much. Diaw would be a good frontcourt complement to LeBron and Varejao. I'm just not sure Ferry would bite on this without us throwing something else ($3 Million?) in.

[ShelC]

Solid trades IMO. Im not a fan of Damon Jones at all actually. I think hes an ******* loudmouth who left a great situation for money, and now is bitching about it since hes a 1trick pony. But that 1 trick could go a long way for us if hes knocking down his 3s. Plus his contract is shorter, but with a bit more money short term.

The real problem is see is the Cavs probably have no use for Banks. They have Daniel Gibson, a simialr type of guard that theyve given minutes to and have been developing. Banks would be extremely redundant.

I think Boris would be a real nice compliment to LeBron handling the ball and if given the ball in the post could make a nice tandem with Big Z. But i dont know that they make that trade either, taking on that much money. And i dont know that Gooden has the IQ to play the kind of basketball we want. Hes a grade A knucklehead, thats why LeBron is frustrated with him.

[JustWinBaby]

I've come up with 2 trades that I think might help the Suns. One minor, one major:

Minor trade:

Suns trade: Marcus Banks
Suns get: Damon Jones

Jones is probably a talent downgrade and may not get minutes, but he's a better shooter and his contract expires after next year. I actually think the Cavs would do this trade too because they get a good point guard for their system.

Major trade:

Suns trade: Banks, Diaw, Strawberry
Suns get: Gooden, Damon Jones

This one I have a tougher time seeing the Cavs doing. But with Varejao back, Gooden's minutes have been dropping, and I don't think LeBron likes Gooden very much. Diaw would be a good frontcourt complement to LeBron and Varejao. I'm just not sure Ferry would bite on this without us throwing something else ($3 Million?) in.

I have been suggesting similar trade with Cleveland as well.

It makes sense IMO for both teams. The problem is the LT. Both of us would like to get under the Luxury Tax and without a third team involved somehow that ain't happening.

[singh]

I've come up with 2 trades that I think might help the Suns. One minor, one major:

Minor trade:

Suns trade: Marcus Banks
Suns get: Damon Jones

Jones is probably a talent downgrade and may not get minutes, but he's a better shooter and his contract expires after next year. I actually think the Cavs would do this trade too because they get a good point guard for their system.

Major trade:

Suns trade: Banks, Diaw, Strawberry
Suns get: Gooden, Damon Jones

This one I have a tougher time seeing the Cavs doing. But with Varejao back, Gooden's minutes have been dropping, and I don't think LeBron likes Gooden very much. Diaw would be a good frontcourt complement to LeBron and Varejao. I'm just not sure Ferry would bite on this without us throwing something else ($3 Million?) in.


I also like the first one, but don't like Damon Jones per se...comes off like he may be a locker-room cancer type but much better than Banks, especially at this stage. GOoden would be great here. but i don't know that anyone even wants boris

[JustWinBaby]

{are you saying that from a morality standpoint or a bball standpoint, because i would like to know who on this board thinks that LB is a better POINT GUARD than mighty mouse (and yes that is stoudamire). He is better at the point than LB and Marcus banks, but I don't think he is capable of starting at this point and especially on the Suns. He is a GOOD option (and better than a lot of the ones out there) at backup pg. Perosnally I would rather have Andre miller, or kyle lowry but thats not gonna happen at this point. I am just saying if the grizz were to waive him, then he would be a good pickup for the remainder of the year.}

I have said it before and will say it again. I think Barbosa is better at running this team than Might Mouse. He is just Awfull.

Now that Conley is coming back from injury Mighty Mouse will earn his rightfull seat on the bench. I do not what him near a Phoenix Suns Bench - ever.

Mighty mouse is one of the main reasons the Grizzles Suck. My prediction is that they will be pretty good in the 2nd half with mighty mouse off the roster or on the bench. Is that clear enough.

JMO

[singh]

{are you saying that from a morality standpoint or a bball standpoint, because i would like to know who on this board thinks that LB is a better POINT GUARD than mighty mouse (and yes that is stoudamire). He is better at the point than LB and Marcus banks, but I don't think he is capable of starting at this point and especially on the Suns. He is a GOOD option (and better than a lot of the ones out there) at backup pg. Perosnally I would rather have Andre miller, or kyle lowry but thats not gonna happen at this point. I am just saying if the grizz were to waive him, then he would be a good pickup for the remainder of the year.}

I have said it before and will say it again. I think Barbosa is better at running this team than Might Mouse. He is just Awfull.

Now that Conley is coming back from injury Mighty Mouse will earn his rightfull seat on the bench. I do not what him near a Phoenix Suns Bench - ever.

Mighty mouse is one of the main reasons the Grizzles Suck. My prediction is that they will be pretty good in the 2nd half with mighty mouse off the roster or on the bench. Is that clear enough.

JMO
How do you figure that with stoudemire the grizz suck?

they were winning with him in his first year here and then he blew out his knee and they started losing. Conley won't get off the bench here until damon is gone. Plain and simple. Iavoroni is on the radio here daily and just lauding the guy plus He has been a model citizen here and a professional. You can't just say "Mighty mouse is one of the main reasons the Grizzles Suck. My prediction is that they will be pretty good in the 2nd half with mighty mouse off the roster or on the bench. Is that clear enough." thats a pretty broad statement. Damon is not a better basketball player than LB but he is a better point guard. LB should be our starting 2, not our back up 1. Is that clear enough?

[1tinsoldier]

More than ever this year, it is about the championship rather than the season.

I believe the bottom line evaluation by management may need to be that, as is, we would be heading into the playoffs having to play the Spurs, Mavs, and/or Lakers in series which could easily go either way.

I think it is acceptable to be realistically iffy about the Spurs. But if we have to include the Mavs or Lakers into the mix we are probably not getting to the finals.

Though I am enjoying this team as is, I am receptive to moving any combination of Marion, Bell, Diaw, Barbosa, or the Atlanta pick for a short term gain on our competition THIS year while Nash, Amare and Hill are in excellent form.

[ShelC]

Thank you singh.

But what JWB says seems to be scripture.

[misteradiant]

thank you for keeping this trade scenario bullshit in it's own thread so most of us can ignore it.

[MTSunsFan]

thank you for keeping this trade scenario bullshit in it's own thread so most of us can ignore it.

And yet here you are reading and posting in this thread. It's kind of like that bad car wreck that you know you probably shouldn't look @, but you just can't help but sneak a peek...:wink:

[Robot]

Mighty Mouse is actually awesome. I remember when he changed his name legally to 'Mighty Mouse' during his UofA days, and the commentators refused to acknowledge it in the NBA. I thought that was BS. I read somewhere that Robert Sarver would allow him to put 'Mighty Mouse' on the back of his jersey (or 'Mouse' I guess) because of the UofA connection.

Also, Underdog aka Boris Diaw is getting fitted for a sweet Egyptian cotton pair of breifs today. More power to him, I say.

-R

[Robot]

I've got a trade rumor I read on CBSsportsline.com .

Marion + Atl #1 Pick to Boston for Kevin Garnett

I guess Boston is fed up with him (according to a poster named 'KG4EVAHH' on the CBSsportsline forum) because his AS voting is higher than LeBron. He goes on to say that Danny Ainge has a sweet spot for Marion and would do this trade in a minute.

What do you guys think? I believe this poster is credible, as he also masturbates to porn while reading sports sites.

Thanks - R

[MTSunsFan]

For those who were suggesting a trade for Damon Jones, yeah he sounds like a real stand up guy :roll:


Cavs players refuse to enter game
Posted: Friday December 28, 2007 07:47AM ET
The season of frustration among Cavaliers players apparently seeped onto the bench late in the fourth quarter during Tuesday's game at The Q against the Heat. Coach Mike Brown asked Damon Jones and Ira Newble to go into the game with less than a minute left and with the Cavs holding a commanding lead. It was mop-up time. This is time usually designated for rookies or players on their last NBA leg. Jones and Newble are neither rookies nor at the end of their careers. Veteran Eric Snow went in instead. Newble told Brown he was not ready to go in because he was not loose. It is not clear why Jones refused, but maybe it was because his overall playing time has been reduced for the past two seasons and probably because he asked the Cavs for a trade in the off-season and they have not accommodated his request. Before Thursday's game against the Mavericks, Brown said the issue is an internal matter and he would not comment further. The Cavs fined Jones an undisclosed amount. It is not known if Newble was fined.

Cleveland Plain Dealer

[Phoenix219]

If it was honestly changed LEGALLY, why wouldn't they acknowledge it? We have to acknowledge the one word "Nene" and all the names of players that convert to Islam, don't we?

[Phoenix219]

LMFAO @ Robot.

Thats hilarious.

Danny Ainge cares what voters think about *another* team?
Danny Ainge wants the player that DIDN'T want to go there BEFORE?
KG and Ainge aren't happy with what unfortunately is the BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE?

Thats more delusional than any of the trade scenarios from around here lmfao!!

[Shabazz]

I know Damon Jones is a total ass-clown and I'd rather see Marcus Banks get an opportunity here, but if we're not going to play Banks we may as well get someone who provides some financial relief. I really do think Banks is a better player and Jones a one trick pony, but at least that trick is 3 point shooting.

[misteradiant]

thank you for keeping this trade scenario bullshit in it's own thread so most of us can ignore it.

And yet here you are reading and posting in this thread. It's kind of like that bad car wreck that you know you probably shouldn't look @, but you just can't help but sneak a peek...:wink:

i couldn't help it. been gone for five days and i start from the bottom-up. it was there when i stepped in this rock-hard farthole product. i should have just stepped over but no, i just coudn't help myself, MT. i can say in my defense that i don't watch shows like springer or listen to howard stern. but this is a special place and it was a specific trade scenario thread. i could come here and see 20 posts from members i can remember to ignore later. it was like a lab test result. that's why i was thankful. that it inspired robot to post here was completely unintentional. we didn't need to know more about fine cotton underwear, pornography, masturbation and their relation to sports websites until he posted. now, it's all i can think about. i think it would be a great documentary staring the guy from supersize me. it could premiere in san francisco and new york.

:cool:

[MTSunsFan]

I hear ya, MR. I'm not down w/ all the crazy trade proposals that have been getting floated around lately either, yet here I am...

[Superbone]

If Robot keeps posting in here, I know I'll be back for more. Wayman Tisdale is available, by the way.

(For dinner party jazz engagements. I saw he was coming to the local casino here, Pechanga.)

[darrkin]

If Robot keeps posting in here, I know I'll be back for more. Wayman Tisdale is available, by the way.

(For dinner party jazz engagements. I saw he was coming to the local casino here, Pechanga.)


I went to his show with some friends in Temecula. it was great...love Tisdale

[SwingMan]

Bump - due to every other fucking thread being flooded.....

[sunsdotcom]

it's time to roll the dice...

[jkalldaway]

I FOUND THIS ON ANOTHER BOARD. I HAD NO PART IN THIS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF POSTING IT HERE:


I don't buy it, but I thought some of you would be interested:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=746366

Trade Rumor out of Phoenix today
AM radio today in the Phoenix was running with this potential trade involving Memphis, Minnesota, and Phoenix. Rock and Manuch admitted it was a rumor they had heard out of the Suns front office about them exploring this idea, but they've explored it enough that there's names and actual picks identified.

Phoenix would get...
Mark Madsen (3/yrs @ $2.42)
Rashard McCants (2/yrs @ $1.7)
Mike Miller (3/yrs @ $8.3)

Memphis would get...
Marcus Banks (4/yrs @ $3.9)
Alando Tucker (2/yrs @ 931K)
Marko Jaric (4/yrs @ 6.05)
#1 from Phoenix via Atlanta in 2008
#2 from Minnesota in 2008 and 2009 OR possibly a future #1 from Minnesota

Minnesota would get...
Boris Diaw (4/yrs @ $9)
Eric Piatkowski (1/yr @ $1.2)
Kyle Lowry (1/yr @ @1.0
#2 from Memphis in 2009

It's no secret Kerr wants to unload Marcus Banks contract and Diaw has fallen into D'Antoni's doghouse for good. But they gets offense in return in Miller and McCants and also get to unload salary again now that it seems they are going to resign Marion. Madsen also provides some defense and rebounding, when Amare is out.

Minnesota gets rid of Jaric's salary and gets an experienced post and quality PG to team up with Jefferson and Brewer and what they said is Michael Beasley.

Memphis is the key here as they are taking on 2 perceived horrible contracts in Banks and Jaric, but want the draft picks and Alando Tucker. Also what's interesting is they are basically getting 3 guards, but their hope is to land someone like Eric Gordon with their pick and Hibbert or Kevin Love with the Phoenix pick. Evidently Miller is becoming more of a pain than Gasol and they LOVE Tucker and some guy in Italy that is coming out supposedly (Galinari)

I still don't know why they'd take on Banks and Jaric contract and become a guard heavy team, but they must love Tucker. But evidently there's been some talks as.

MN
Lowry/Telfair/Foy
Foye/Buckner/Green
Brewer/Walker/Gomes
Jefferson/Smith
Diaw/Richard

+ potentially Beasley

Phoenix
Nash/Barbosa/Hill
Miller/McCants/Bell
Hill/Bell/Barbosa
Marion/Skinner
Stoudemire/Madsen

Still small but incredibly versatile in at the 1 - 2 - 3 spots

Memphis
Conley/Navarro/Banks
Jaric/Tucker/Jacobsen
RudyGay/Jaric/
Gasol/Swift/Warrick
Milicic/Swift

+Gordon and maybe Galinari or Hibbert.

I still don't know for sure how Memphis gets better other than getting rid of a bad attitude in Miller. But the Suns get a consistant shooter and MN gets some size and settle the PG situation for the future.

Hmmmmm....

PS - Don't kill the messenger, just saying what was on the radio today.

[ShelC]

That actually wouldnt be terrible except for losing the draft pick of course. Miller would be great here, but i think hes more a 3 than a 2. He may not have the quickness to really play D against the top tier 2s. Madsen would be a good hustle player at the 4 to bring off teh bench for energy and rebounding. We make out the best, i dont know what Memphis gets out of the deal except maybe the pick. I dont know why theyd take Banks' deal or Jaric's. I dont know why Minny would take Boris' deal, except that maybe McHale is an idiot.

I'd do the deal for cap reasons and to get miller. Just dont know how possible it is. It may also open the door to trading Marion for a big since we'll have Miller long term. Does it make us better defensively tho? Or is it perpetuating the whole "Offense will win us game, defense be damned" philosophy. MadDog may take a few charges, but hes not scaring anyone in the paint.

Also, this hasnt been reported anywhere else, so its legitimacy is definitely in question as of right now.

[jkalldaway]

Suns plan to stand pat


Jerry Brown (jbrown@aztrib.com), Tribune

Ask fans and analysts what the Suns need and you’ll get a variety of responses. Some scream Phoenix is short a big man to cover Amaré Stoudemire’s defensive deficiencies.

Others want to add another outside shooter (the departed James Jones leads the NBA in 3-point shooting with Portland) or make the annual request for a backup to Steve Nash at the point.

But after spending the past several weeks closely examining their cards and measuring their stacks against the rest of the title contenders — with the luxury tax chip also playing a major role — anyone waiting for that deadline trade or veteran signing to bolster Phoenix’s ranks shouldn’t hold their breath.

A source within the brain trust said the decision has been made: With 23 wins in the first 32 games, the Suns will stand pat and play the hand they’ve been dealt.

That means no rugged vets like P.J. Brown coming in off the couch. No deals for a sharpshooter like Gordan Giricek or Kyle Korver — two players the Suns coveted who were swapped for each other last week.

No understudy to spell Nash.

Would the Suns like to tweak things a bit? Sure. But they don’t have an expiring contract on the bench or an intriguing, reasonably priced player to dangle in a deal. The roster is made up of untouchable core players, untradeable contracts and players at or near minimum salary that don’t help get trades done.

And with any free-agent addition costing twice the going rate thanks to the luxury tax, simply adding payroll is not an option that interests ownership.

So any improvement will have to come from within.

Raja Bell (35 percent from 3-point range) and Leandro Barbosa (36.6 percent) need to regain their outside shooting touch and get closer to their 41 percent career averages. The Suns averaged 9.6 3-pointers per game last season, a number that is down to 8.3 this season.
Stoudemire needs to maintain his current torrid offensive run, which has him averaging 30.8 points, 13.3 rebounds and a boatload of oohs and ahs during this recent four-game winning streak over Western Conference bottom feeders.

Stoudemire’s play has been more about a soft spot in the schedule. His energy and activity on both ends and more dominant moves around the basket have shown the way for the Suns, who are otherwise still not playing with their usual sharpness. As a result, the ball is finding him more and in better position.

Whether it’s going all out in practice, attacking his off-court work with a renewed vigor or backing up his own tough talk with actions, the Suns are riding his back to wins.

“I want to get to my full potential,” Stoudemire said after a 34-point, 11-rebound effort against the Sonics Thursday night. “Due to the injuries and minor setbacks, at the start of the season I started off a little slow. I missed preseason and wasn’t quite as healthy as I wanted to be for the first 15 or 20 games. But now I’m starting to feel better, my legs are back, my conditioning level is where it should be and I should go higher from there.”

The caliber of opposing centers will also spike upward. Tyson Chandler and New Orleans visit tonight, followed by Marcus Camby and Denver on Monday and Jermaine O’Neal of Indiana on Wednesday.

“He’s been unbelievable, and that’s a level that we are accustomed to, so sometimes you aren’t as impressed as you should be,” Phoenix coach Mike D’Antoni said of Stoudemire. “If he sustains this energy level, he can be a pretty good defender, and if he does that he becomes an MVP-caliber player because he’s one of the best finishers in the game.”

At least the Suns are doing a great job of getting to the free-throw line — they have taken five more than their foes this year, as opposed to 75 less last year — but have already missed 165 free throws (.769) and are under 60 percent in the fourth quarter, a bad playoff omen.

“We just haven’t rounded into shape. I think we’ll iron all that out, I really do,” D’Antoni said.

Throw in the usual bugaboos, defense, rebounding and a penchant for playing to the level of their opponent, and 23-9 fits the Suns just fine heading into a run of opponents that features the Hornets, Denver and Utah before they get another shot at the Lakers in Los Angeles on Jan. 17.

[SwingMan]

(Fuck Mighty Mouse - how's about this? RealGM lead)

Cassell Is Not Having Fun (http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/50143/20080107/cassell_is_not_having_fun/)

http://www.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Cassell_Sam_lac.jpg

January 7, 2008 - 2:14 am L.A. Times -

His familiar smile missing, Sam Cassell (http://www.realgm.com/src_playerfile/478/sam_cassell/) admitted that with the losing, he is not having fun like he usually does.

"We are 10-21," Cassell said. "That doesn't make it fun to enjoy. I'm still optimistic about how we can turn things around and see what we can do."

Cassell was the straw that helped stir the Clippers (http://clippers.realgm.com/) to their playoff run in 2005-06. But he hobbled through injuries much of last season and, so far this season, has not fared much better.

He is 38 and in the final season of a two-year contract. He has stated he would like to play one more season and then become an assistant coach.

Asked whether he would like to play for a team with championship aspirations to finish this season and his career, Cassell said he wasn't at the point of requesting a trade.

"We'll see," he said. "It ain't to that point right now, but we'll see. I started this thing and we'll see how it pans out.

[sunsdotcom]

if he's available, let's get cassell.

[ShelC]

The thought had occurred to me, but i dont know that he left here on the best of terms before. But maybe new ownership, new coach and a lot of time being passed could smooth things over. He knows how to win, thats for sure.

[jkalldaway]

I think Cassell would be amazing for the chemistry issue.

[jed]

Suns plan to stand pat


Jerry Brown (jbrown@aztrib.com), Tribune

Ask fans and analysts what the Suns need and you’ll get a variety of responses. Some scream Phoenix is short a big man to cover Amaré Stoudemire’s defensive deficiencies.

Others want to add another outside shooter (the departed James Jones leads the NBA in 3-point shooting with Portland) or make the annual request for a backup to Steve Nash at the point.

But after spending the past several weeks closely examining their cards and measuring their stacks against the rest of the title contenders — with the luxury tax chip also playing a major role — anyone waiting for that deadline trade or veteran signing to bolster Phoenix’s ranks shouldn’t hold their breath.

A source within the brain trust said the decision has been made: With 23 wins in the first 32 games, the Suns will stand pat and play the hand they’ve been dealt.

That means no rugged vets like P.J. Brown coming in off the couch. No deals for a sharpshooter like Gordan Giricek or Kyle Korver — two players the Suns coveted who were swapped for each other last week.

No understudy to spell Nash.

Would the Suns like to tweak things a bit? Sure. But they don’t have an expiring contract on the bench or an intriguing, reasonably priced player to dangle in a deal. The roster is made up of untouchable core players, untradeable contracts and players at or near minimum salary that don’t help get trades done.

And with any free-agent addition costing twice the going rate thanks to the luxury tax, simply adding payroll is not an option that interests ownership.

So any improvement will have to come from within.

Raja Bell (35 percent from 3-point range) and Leandro Barbosa (36.6 percent) need to regain their outside shooting touch and get closer to their 41 percent career averages. The Suns averaged 9.6 3-pointers per game last season, a number that is down to 8.3 this season.
Stoudemire needs to maintain his current torrid offensive run, which has him averaging 30.8 points, 13.3 rebounds and a boatload of oohs and ahs during this recent four-game winning streak over Western Conference bottom feeders.

Stoudemire’s play has been more about a soft spot in the schedule. His energy and activity on both ends and more dominant moves around the basket have shown the way for the Suns, who are otherwise still not playing with their usual sharpness. As a result, the ball is finding him more and in better position.

Whether it’s going all out in practice, attacking his off-court work with a renewed vigor or backing up his own tough talk with actions, the Suns are riding his back to wins.

“I want to get to my full potential,” Stoudemire said after a 34-point, 11-rebound effort against the Sonics Thursday night. “Due to the injuries and minor setbacks, at the start of the season I started off a little slow. I missed preseason and wasn’t quite as healthy as I wanted to be for the first 15 or 20 games. But now I’m starting to feel better, my legs are back, my conditioning level is where it should be and I should go higher from there.”

The caliber of opposing centers will also spike upward. Tyson Chandler and New Orleans visit tonight, followed by Marcus Camby and Denver on Monday and Jermaine O’Neal of Indiana on Wednesday.

“He’s been unbelievable, and that’s a level that we are accustomed to, so sometimes you aren’t as impressed as you should be,” Phoenix coach Mike D’Antoni said of Stoudemire. “If he sustains this energy level, he can be a pretty good defender, and if he does that he becomes an MVP-caliber player because he’s one of the best finishers in the game.”

At least the Suns are doing a great job of getting to the free-throw line — they have taken five more than their foes this year, as opposed to 75 less last year — but have already missed 165 free throws (.769) and are under 60 percent in the fourth quarter, a bad playoff omen.

“We just haven’t rounded into shape. I think we’ll iron all that out, I really do,” D’Antoni said.

Throw in the usual bugaboos, defense, rebounding and a penchant for playing to the level of their opponent, and 23-9 fits the Suns just fine heading into a run of opponents that features the Hornets, Denver and Utah before they get another shot at the Lakers in Los Angeles on Jan. 17.

I like Jerry. But I think he's wrong here.

I think we're going to trade. Kerr's not going to let us take a step back in his first season at the helm.

[v9]

What's Cassell's contract like? He'd be the ultimate backup PG...

[Velo]

What's Cassell's contract like? He'd be the ultimate backup PG...

Sam Cassell $6,150,000


banks and tucker aught to do it. alien head is 38 years old tho...

[CharlesV]

No understudy to spell Nash.

Would the Suns like to tweak things a bit? Sure. But they don’t have an expiring contract on the bench or an intriguing, reasonably priced player to dangle in a deal. The roster is made up of untouchable core players, untradeable contracts and players at or near minimum salary that don’t help get trades done.

This report does not work for me at all.

It is beginning to look like it may take a scandal to get Chris Paul into town.

[Mori_Chu]

Why would Chris Paul come here? They have a good young team in NO built around him. Maybe we can pry Deron Williams from Utah instead? :-)

[jed]

Don't step on the dream, Mori.

[desertcoast]

It is beginning to look like it may take a scandal to get Chris Paul into town.

do you have a plan? :twisted:

[Wormwood]

It is beginning to look like it may take a scandal to get Chris Paul into town.

do you have a plan? :twisted:

Duct tape, a chair, a bazooka, a web cam, and CP3's mom. :twisted:

[jed]

See -- now you did it, worm. You brought his Mom into the whole thing.

Are you trying to sabotage the dream or what?;)

[Wormwood]

***Legal Disclaimer***

The previous post was intended for humor purposes only. It does not seriously suggest any course of action.

[desertcoast]

It is beginning to look like it may take a scandal to get Chris Paul into town.

do you have a plan? :twisted:

Duct tape, a chair, a bazooka, a web cam, and CP3's mom. :twisted:

or a cute fuzzy puppy?

Every NBA player has a puppy.

Yep. Go with the puppy.

***Legal Disclaimer***

The previous post was intended for humor purposes only. It does not seriously suggest any course of action, and if such action were to transpire, it would be all Wormwood's fault.
I only suggested the puppy, which I now regret. I like puppies. I really do. Especially Labs, but I digress.

[v9]

On a [somewhat] more realistic note:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080109


Chris (Utah): I agree with you 100 percent. Play Carlos Boozer at the 5 and Andrei Kirilenko at the 4 with Kyle Korver at the 3. But who do you think the Jazz could get for Mehmet Okur? We need a defensive stopper desperately.

John Hollinger: You'd be trying to get a small forward to start ahead of Korver and use KK 25 minutes off the pine. AK will take care of some of the D because he'll block a ton of shots if you move him back to the 4, but yes, it would leave them a bit short in terms of post defenders. Gotta give up something to get something.

Wonder if the Suns can somehow get Okur...perhaps something involving Diaw + Atl pick (best case) or Marion (worst case)?

[Phoenix219]

If we didn't want to give up Marion for AK, no way for Okur.

[JustWinBaby]

On a [somewhat] more realistic note:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-080109


Chris (Utah): I agree with you 100 percent. Play Carlos Boozer at the 5 and Andrei Kirilenko at the 4 with Kyle Korver at the 3. But who do you think the Jazz could get for Mehmet Okur? We need a defensive stopper desperately.

John Hollinger: You'd be trying to get a small forward to start ahead of Korver and use KK 25 minutes off the pine. AK will take care of some of the D because he'll block a ton of shots if you move him back to the 4, but yes, it would leave them a bit short in terms of post defenders. Gotta give up something to get something.

Wonder if the Suns can somehow get Okur...perhaps something involving Diaw + Atl pick (best case) or Marion (worst case)?

Maybe we can get Sloan in as Coach as well - about the only guy you have not mentioned as Coach D's repacement.

How many titles has Sloan won again?

Poor guy has had no talen in Utah.

[v9]

Maybe we can get Sloan in as Coach as well - about the only guy you have not mentioned as Coach D's repacement.

?

Maybe you're thinking of VT.


If we didn't want to give up Marion for AK, no way for Okur.

Okur doesn't have the injury history that AK does. Also, he has a less toxic contract...and the Suns would have to get someone else (Brewer, perhaps?) back.

Marion's trade value has also dropped this season...he's lost a bit of the hops that used to make him so dangerous on a consistent basis.

[misteradiant]

yeah, his last game was so sucky.

[Velo]

marion has lots his hops tho'... you can't deny that. just look at all the ally-ops that he's missed this year that he's made in years past.

[misteradiant]

he's always missed a slam every once in a while. what you are missing are those six blocks and 14 rebounds. how's that for hop? and how about the hop you've got to take from the top of the 3-point line, where he made a few the other night? and his defense?

but no, you guys thing it must really suck, too. that he's lost a step. that he isn't the same. maybe next year, but not now. shawn looks just as good as any other year from what i see.

[v9]

Kind of pointless to have a meaningful conversation about Shawn Marion on this board. Too easy to praise his all-around play, too easy to denigrate his lack of improvement.

But - let's face it. Marion's a liability at PF unless he's hitting the outside jumpers (which happens once in a while) and is happy being the best role player on the planet. Otherwise, he's an undersized PF with an average rebound rate and better-than-average athleticism.

While I'm happy that he played a lot better the last game - and I'm by no means advocating trading Marion for schwang - a player like Okur is extremely valuable; he was a borderline All-Star quality center two years ago. Besides, the Suns wanted Brewer in the draft - and he's work well in the backcourt with Barbosa. Both Brewer and Okur could probably benefit from a change in scenery - as well as Marion.

[Mori_Chu]

There is a difference between a statistical dropoff and an athletic dropoff. I can absolutely tell that Marion is not as athletically gifted this year as he was a few years ago. He's still a phenomenal athlete compared to other NBA players. But he doesn't quite have the insane leaping ability and some of the finishing skills he used to have.

Luckily, as was said, it has not caused his stats to drop, though one might try to draw conclusions about his career arc based on his current minor slowdown. But you have to wonder, if he slows down a bit each year as expected, how many years until he becomes a mediocre player? I'd say he has about 3 more good seasons in him, unless he decides to devote himself to becoming a more consistent shooter. (Exhibit A: That first 3 in the Indy game that caromed off the side of the backboard...)

[v9]

In other words - the Suns can't afford to re-sign him. Either trade him this season, or let him finish his contract - and walk.

Imagine what would happen if the Suns signed him for $17mm per season for a 5-year extension, and got an average player by year 2...

Now, if Marion agrees to a reasonable extension (something like $8mm per season), I'm all for extending him. However, Dan Fegan won't allow anything like that.

[fixxxer]

Imagine what would happen if the Suns signed him for $17mm per season for a 5-year extension, and got an average player by year 2...

Now, if Marion agrees to a reasonable extension (something like $8mm per season), I'm all for extending him. However, Dan Fegan won't allow anything like that.I think a happy medium between those two figures can be found. Extending Marion to a 5 year deal at around $11 mill/year should serve both parties quite well.

[jed]

Imagine what would happen if the Suns signed him for $17mm per season for a 5-year extension, and got an average player by year 2...

Now, if Marion agrees to a reasonable extension (something like $8mm per season), I'm all for extending him. However, Dan Fegan won't allow anything like that.I think a happy medium between those two figures can be found. Extending Marion to a 5 year deal at around $11 mill/year should serve both parties quite well.

I don't know if that's an option. Shawn didn't get pissed because we made a lackluster offer to him for an extension. He was mad that we didn't agree to the max yet again for him -- which speaks volumes.

[JustWinBaby]

{I don't know if that's an option. Shawn didn't get pissed because we made a lackluster offer to him for an extension. He was mad that we didn't agree to the max yet again for him -- which speaks volumes.}

I would expect he and his agent have looked at what Rashard Lewis received. He received crazy money for what he brings to the court. Orlando has him for better or worse.

Shawn is a far superior player IMO.

[ShelC]

We shouldnt suffer because Otis Smith is an idiot. Lewis isnt even the 3rd best player on that team IMO. They want to guage their value based on Lewis' deal then good riddance. They gave him max money, thats their problem. Lewis is a 3rd option at best, just like Shawn.

[jed]

{I don't know if that's an option. Shawn didn't get pissed because we made a lackluster offer to him for an extension. He was mad that we didn't agree to the max yet again for him -- which speaks volumes.}

I would expect he and his agent have looked at what Rashard Lewis received. He received crazy money for what he brings to the court. Orlando has him for better or worse.

Shawn is a far superior player IMO.

Just because Orlando overpaid for Lewis doesn't mean we do for Shawn. Not in the era of "responsible team building."

[Ring_Wanted]

In that case, Shawn's career with the Suns will not last much. He seems to be here at least for this season, but next summer he can opt out or be traded. Even if he uses his ETO, he will need us to make a sign and trade unless he wants to play for the Sixers. The ideal scenario would be to agree to a reasonable extension, but if that's not possible, I like the position the team has in this issue.

[JustWinBaby]

In that case, Shawn's career with the Suns will not last much. He seems to be here at least for this season, but next summer he can opt out or be traded. Even if he uses his ETO, he will need us to make a sign and trade unless he wants to play for the Sixers. The ideal scenario would be to agree to a reasonable extension, but if that's not possible, I like the position the team has in this issue.


I am not sure we can even negotiate with Shawn at the point due to league rules. If we can and get a reasonable extension agreed to, it could be the most important thing we could accomplish headed into the playoffs.

A happy and excited Matrix is really a phenominal piece to have on your team.

Until that is accomplished trade rumors will persist.

[jed]

In that case, Shawn's career with the Suns will not last much. He seems to be here at least for this season, but next summer he can opt out or be traded. Even if he uses his ETO, he will need us to make a sign and trade unless he wants to play for the Sixers. The ideal scenario would be to agree to a reasonable extension, but if that's not possible, I like the position the team has in this issue.

I agree. Shawn's not here for the long haul as long as he wants that type of money. Simple as that.

As for the Sixers option, I could live with that. I think Iggy would be amazing in a Suns uni. He's hungry to be on a winner right now. Plus, I don't think Philly is a banishment for Shawn. It's a chance to be the star in a big market with Andre Miller throwing you lobs. Things could be a whole lot worse than that.

[jed]

You know -- here's another idea. Probably doesn't hold water, but it's at least worthy of discussion.

Wade sounds like he wants out of Miami for obvious reasons. Any chance we force Coach's hand, send them Nash so that they can still have the appearance of contention, and bring Wade here for the inside-outside game Kerr is craving?

[ShelC]

Wow. Is this the 1st Nash trade scenario? Historic.

[jed]

Not our proudest moment, but hey -- it's DWade.

[sose]

Smoking dope this one is...

[ShelC]

Id be cautious with DWade in general cuz he has some legit health concerns. The shoulder still isnt completely healthy i dont think and it could be a lingering problem especially if there is indeed nerve damage as Riles said. He busted his ribs up, hes had knee problems. He just works so hard and takes such a pounding that he could end up breaking down sooner rather than later.

And lets say you have Wade, you put him at the 2 spot or run him at the point? I think he could be a capable PG, but hes really an elite 2guard.

[SunsFan4Life]

According to Hoopshype.com Damon Stoudemire will be bought out anyday now...Wonder if we'll give a look see at him.

With Banks playing well lately people may pass but We still need a backup PG considering Marcus has been playing a lot as an SG instead of PG

[ShelC]

I think Miami or Boston would have a better shot at Stoudamire. The Knicks may also give him a look since isiah drafted him.

[Wormwood]

Yeah, Banks has done a bang up job distributing..... 1 assist last night, and 0 in the previous... he's averaging less assists per 48 minutes than Shawn Marion. Yikes.

Hell yes we should bring Stoudamire in to provide another distributor while Nash sits.

[SunsFan4Life]

How about this rumor....T-Mac to the Knicks. hahahaha and its so crazy it will probably happen.

Suppoedly T-mac is disconnected with his Rocket teammates Because he breaks plays off a lot and goes 1 on1. That and his Back issues. THE RETURN OF "I" MAC!

Yet Isiah will prob trade 2 #1's Lee and some giant expring contract for him haha.

NBA Gods were looking down on us that summer when we tried to trade Shawn and r lotto pick for him but Orlando Demanded Shawn,JJ and r lotto pick. What a loser he is

[ShelC]

Everytime a team comes to NYC they start rumors about that teams best player going to the knicks. When the pacers come to NYC, its all about how JONeal and Thomas love each other and JO would love to play in NYC under Thomas, when the lakers come its Kobe would love to play in NYC, when the kings play its artest and Bibby coming to NYC, the rockets came last night and its TMac coming to NYC cuz Thomas drafted him....its just fodder for the newspapers during a terrible year looking for some kind of bright spots.

The only rumor with any legs to it IMO is Randolph to the Bucks. Hes a total me-guy looking for his own stats and he completely ruins the flow to the offense cuz hes got a one-track mind, and thats to score the ball. The blazers really got over on the Knicks by unloading him, unless the Knicks turn Randolph into something worthwhile like Redd (prob wont happen cuz JCraw is Thomas' guy at the 2spot) or Yi (who would be huge in NYC with the asian market). Most likely theyll end up taking back multiple players with smaller contracts to give them some flexibility. Something like Simmons and Gadz. CharlieV, Charlie Bell and Simmons. Maybe MoWill and Gadz if the knicks look to deal Nate.

[Ring_Wanted]

Any GM not named Isiah would put his job in jeopardy by taking Randolph and his contract.

The Bucks should stay away from that guy, but that team has so many bad contracts that trading for Z-Bo could make sense, if adding him can ever be a good idea.

Unloading Bobby Simmons and Gadzuric contracts (two of the worst in the L) while getting something like Lee or a 1stR, maybe both if they add Yi, could be enough to pull the trigger. I think I'd do it, even if Zach's contract runs one year longer than Simmons'.

[ShelC]

Any GM not named Isiah would put his job in jeopardy by taking Randolph and his contract.

From some of the reports coming out, Larry Harris' job is in jeopardy so whats he got to lose?

The bucks and bulls would be the only 2 teams i can think of willing to add Zach and his low-post skills. Its funny tho cuz for all of his low post skills, hes more than content to get the ball on the wing 16-18 ft out, face up and pull the jumper. And believe me, once he swings thru to face up, he is not passing the ball. Hes truly the definition of a black hole.

I dont think Pax is desperate enough to add Z-Bo and the "hoops family". The hoops-family is basically 10-12 guys that look like theyve walked out of a Lil Jon rap video. Not the guys you want around a 14mil+ "franchise" player. Thats not the kind of player Pax is looking to add to his team, nor is Boylan trying to coach.

The bucks probably are desperate for Z-Bo. They have a huge hole at the 4 spot and need that low post scorer opposite Bogut and Redd on the perimeter. But if they add Z-Bo and keep Redd, theyve got some serious money tied up in those 2 guys. And theyre still probably no more than a 7th seed at best. And on top of that, it would defintiely stunt Yi's development as a player. If Yi's handlers were to find out theres a possible NY deal brewing, i think theyd be all over getting him included. They want him in a place like NY, not Milwaukee.

Getting Yi in a deal would be a huge coup for Isiah. It would really boost the appeal of the knicks, especially with the asian american community, give them a potential star in a few years, fill the hole at the 3 spot while allowing Lee to step in at teh 4 spot, which shouldve been his since last year. Its the kind of deal that could make the Knicks season and propel them into the playoffs. They wont really take that next step until they find a legit playmaker, ie., get rid of steph.

[Ring_Wanted]

They already have the money invested in Simmons and Gadzuric, two contracts bad enough to offset Z-Bo's deal and shortcomings. Redd and Randolph can make the Bucks a playoff team, something they are not now.

[ShelC]

That would be the thinking.

[fixxxer]

Wade sounds like he wants out of Miami for obvious reasons. Any chance we force Coach's hand, send them Nash so that they can still have the appearance of contention, and bring Wade here for the inside-outside game Kerr is craving?Chronologically...

1. A Nash trade.

2. News article that involves the following terms: "Suns General Manager and ex-NBA sharpshooter, Steve Kerr", "a Blr/Phx airline ticket", "fixxxer" and "machete".

[jed]

Wade sounds like he wants out of Miami for obvious reasons. Any chance we force Coach's hand, send them Nash so that they can still have the appearance of contention, and bring Wade here for the inside-outside game Kerr is craving?Chronologically...

1. A Nash trade.

2. News article that involves the following terms: "Suns General Manager and ex-NBA sharpshooter, Steve Kerr", "a Blr/Phx airline ticket", "fixxxer" and "machete".

Fair enough.

Generally, I'm with you. But I have to say that there are a few players in this league that I'd trade Nash for -- and Wade is one of them.

[SpecialSauce]

Here's a list of players I would trade Nash for (in order):

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. LeBron James
4. Dwade
5. Kobe......jk :)

[fixxxer]

I cannot be clear enough. MACHETE!!!!! :mrgreen:

[BigLewy]

So if the Hornets called right now and said we will resign Chris Paul at the same value of Nash's deal and then trade CP3 to the Suns for Nash straight up, you would say no?

[SwingMan]

Bump - fucking threads getting clogged.....

[JediSkywalker]

Here's a list of players I would trade Nash for (in order):

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. LeBron James
4. Dwade
5. Kobe......jk :)

Try any of these players in Nash's place on the Suns' team as it is right now. Will you see a major improvement? I doubt it. You are devaluing one of the greatest team players in this game. Deron Williams is a good PG but he does not belong on this list. I am not convinced that Chris Paul is better than Nash. How many playoff games has he won?

[Catharsis]

Here's a list of players I would trade Nash for (in order):

1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. LeBron James
4. Dwade
5. Kobe......jk :)

Try any of these players in Nash's place on the Suns' team as it is right now. Will you see a major improvement? I doubt it. You are devaluing one of the greatest team players in this game. Deron Williams is a good PG but he does not belong on this list. I am not convinced that Chris Paul is better than Nash. How many playoff games has he won?

I'd trade Lebron with a new contract straight up for Nash. Lebron can shoot, pass and rebound. Every GM would make that deal in a heartbeat.

[SpecialSauce]

Can we please get some damn rumors started??? This team needs a trade. I want to hear about them actively wheeling and dealing

[desertcoast]

Sauce:
I asked Mark Asher about Amare specifically and was told about a multi player deal that was extremely close to happening ( closer than the KG/Amare swap that Mini nixed).

Point is...this was a deal that NEVER came up on this board, never heard it in hoopsworld or any of those other rumor mills.
I think there's always sh*t being talked about behind the scenes.

After that conversation with Asher, I came away with two distinct truths:
Nash is the only player here safe
Amare is on the block.

Still subjective...but Gambo and Ash do have a fair amount of access to Suns FO guys and coaching staff. I don't think they're blowing smoke. It's a pretty good bet something is brewing, the numbers just haven't worked out as of yet.

[JediSkywalker]

Wade sounds like he wants out of Miami for obvious reasons. Any chance we force Coach's hand, send them Nash so that they can still have the appearance of contention, and bring Wade here for the inside-outside game Kerr is craving?Chronologically...

1. A Nash trade.

2. News article that involves the following terms: "Suns General Manager and ex-NBA sharpshooter, Steve Kerr", "a Blr/Phx airline ticket", "fixxxer" and "machete".

Fair enough.

Generally, I'm with you. But I have to say that there are a few players in this league that I'd trade Nash for -- and Wade is one of them.

Wade is injured half the time. Nash plays most of the games. It will be a terrible trade.

[JediSkywalker]

Sauce:
After that conversation with Asher, I came away with two distinct truths:
Nash is the only player here safe
Amare is on the block.

Still subjective...but Gambo and Ash do have a fair amount of access to Suns FO guys and coaching staff. I don't think they're blowing smoke. It's a pretty good bet something is brewing, the numbers just haven't worked out as of yet.


I can't imagine who they could trade Amare for.....and I don't see it happening this season. If that does happen, we better get some great players, or we will be like Minnesota trading Garnett for multiple players and finding themselves at the bottom of the league.

[SpecialSauce]

Sauce:
I asked Mark Asher about Amare specifically and was told about a multi player deal that was extremely close to happening ( closer than the KG/Amare swap that Mini nixed).

Point is...this was a deal that NEVER came up on this board, never heard it in hoopsworld or any of those other rumor mills.
I think there's always sh*t being talked about behind the scenes.

After that conversation with Asher, I came away with two distinct truths:
Nash is the only player here safe
Amare is on the block.

Still subjective...but Gambo and Ash do have a fair amount of access to Suns FO guys and coaching staff. I don't think they're blowing smoke. It's a pretty good bet something is brewing, the numbers just haven't worked out as of yet.

Well you can't just rub my balls like that and not finish the job off, that's just messed up and bad karma. What was the deal that was extremely close to happening? I wouldn't trade Amare for any big man in the league not named Dwight Howard

[JediSkywalker]

I would trade Amare for Garnett any day. Of course that trade is not going to happen.

[Shabazz]

How about Banks for Najera?

Denver badly needs a PG since Atkins is out for the season. They also need 3 point shooting and happened to have a nice view of Banks' best shooting game of his life.

Najera would be a nice fit here and is in the last year of his contract.

I just don't think Denver's dumb enough to do this one.

[Andy_S]

How about Banks for Najera?

...

I just don't think Denver's dumb enough to do this one.

They're not.

[desertcoast]

Sauce, the only take away is that there are deals always being talked about, regardless of who was involved.
Safe to assume he's not untouchable, but it's become clear he's worth more to the Suns than anyone else right now.

We were all told that the SUNS nixed that KG deal, but it sounds like MINI nixed it.
We're getting a harsh reality check about his stock right now, and it's getting built back up from being at a lowpoint. If they're serious about trading him, I bet they let him play this year out and get his stock higher, then re-evaluate.


I wouldn't trade Amare for any big man in the league not named Dwight Howard
It was definitely not anything that exciting. Howard's stock has to be at an all-time high right now.

[ShelC]

I thought it was common knowledge that Minny turned us down. Why would they want Shawn? Not to knock him, but they drafted brewer and knew theyd get at least Greene back in a trade. To top it off, they got Green and Gomes. They got Jefferson whos a low post beast, and as we all know those guys are usually the types of guys you build around and use as a foundation. Unless Minny just wanted capspace and traded for Shawn with no intention of keeping him or telling him they wanted him to opt out (which hed never have to do), why would they do the deal?

Banks to Denver? It makes sense at some level. They do need a PG, Banks would help them defensively on the perimeter and has a 3pt shot. But i think he may be too similar to AI with regards to handling the ball. And i dont know that Karl would be able to tolerate Banks and his style and IQ. They didnt resign Blake in the offseason, i dont know that they take on Banks' long term deal.

[jed]

I can guarantee you we're talking to people right now.

This is Kerr's first season. We're taking a step back. There are chemistry issues. And our MVP PG doesn't have much longer in this league.

Of course we're fielding calls.

[ShelC]

We can talk to everyone but I dont even know who could help us at this point. And when i say "help" i mean, put us over the top and really get us right. I dont know if one player can do that, cuz i think it also has to come from the coach and his ability to really coach the team. I think Camby could be that kind of player for us, but its still on MikeD to play him and we'd probably ask too much of him in covering up all of our defensive deficiencies.

[jed]

I don't know what can be done, Shel. I'd bet there are more options and potential deals than we realize. Whether or not they can be done -- I don't know.

Frankly, though, we have to take a risk here. It's not happening as is.

[Indy]

Agreed. Trades for big-name players usually end up being a decent prospect, a vet or two, and a scrub or two. They are almost never big-name for big-name.

[desertcoast]

we were talking about Amare, Shel.
Gambo claims that Minni nixed the KG/Amare deal, not the Suns.
(Contrary to what we were led to believe at the time).


Trades for big-name players usually end up being a decent prospect, a vet or two, and a scrub or two. They are almost never big-name for big-name.

Yeah..if we're to put any stock in the conversation I had with Asher about this, several deals have been talked about that fit Indy's description to a tee. (The kind of deals that would have had this board's collective panties in a bunch forever )
Amare is not currently considered a "superstar" swap type of player. He's worth more to us than most other teams.

[jed]

we were talking about Amare, Shel.
Gambo claims that Minni nixed the KG/Amare deal, not the Suns.
(Contrary to what we were led to believe at the time).


Trades for big-name players usually end up being a decent prospect, a vet or two, and a scrub or two. They are almost never big-name for big-name.

Yeah..if we're to put any stock in the conversation I had with Asher about this, several deals have been talked about that fit Indy's description to a tee. (The kind of deals that would have had this board's collective panties in a bunch forever )
Amare is not currently considered a "superstar" swap type of player. He's worth more to us than most other teams.

Yeah -- I heard him say that. If it did go down that way, it's a strange move for Minny. Jefferson is a solid piece, but Amare he is not.

[desertcoast]

Jefferson is a solid piece, but Amare he is not.

I totally agree jed...apparantly Minni did not.
If Amare continues to put up the numbers he is this year, they might regret that.

[jed]

Jefferson is a solid piece, but Amare he is not.

I totally agree jed...apparantly Minni did not.
If Amare continues to put up the numbers he is this year, they might regret that.

Well, I suspect their rationale is the same as what I was saying about trading Amare. They're probably going for a more faceless team concept. After building around KG for years, they might just want to put together a strong core of guys that work and play hard without any real star bullsh1t that plagues teams like us right now.

Still, they lost out on trade value, though.

[Ring_Wanted]

I'm sure Amare's knees were a big concern. Minni would have never rejected the old 04/05 Amare at age 24.

[y2jjedipimp]

Here's a trade i actually made that worked...throw in the necc picks etc to get it dont but it looks like a winner to me.


Chicago Bulls

Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Salary: $16,440,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 16.0 REB: 10.3 AST: 2.1 PER: 20.10

Boris Diaw
Salary: $9,000,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 7.2 REB: 4.1 AST: 3.6 PER: 9.81

Andre Brown
Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.8 REB: 1.5 AST: 0.2 PER: 11.21

Pau Gasol
Salary: $13,735,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 18.9 REB: 8.7 AST: 2.9 PER: 20.42


Memphis Grizzlies

Incoming Players
Joakim Noah
Salary: $2,135,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.5 REB: 3.4 AST: 0.9 PER: 18.27

Marcus Banks
Salary: $3,966,207 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 5.8 REB: 0.9 AST: 1.1 PER: 12.34

Chris Duhon
Salary: $3,248,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.4 REB: 1.9 AST: 3.8 PER: 9.27

JamesOn Curry
Salary: $427,163 Years Remaining: 2

Andres Nocioni
Salary: $8,500,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 13.8 REB: 4.8 AST: 1.3 PER: 15.40

Ben Gordon
Salary: $4,881,669 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 18.7 REB: 3.7 AST: 2.8 PER: 14.33


Phoenix Suns

Incoming Players
Mike Miller
Salary: $8,376,194 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 16.3 REB: 6.9 AST: 4.0 PER: 15.84

Joe Smith
Salary: $5,205,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.4 REB: 5.2 AST: 0.9 PER: 17.76

Hakim Warrick
Salary: $1,376,040 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.3 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.3 PER: 16.38

Ben Wallace
Salary: $15,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 4.4 REB: 8.9 AST: 2.0 PER: 11.95


Outgoing Players: Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Marcus Banks



Only flaws I see are that Memphis might have a log jam at point again. They would buyout Stoudamire however and Have Lowry Conley and Banks.

It gets rid of each teams baggage however. Wallace is baggage to the Bulls obviously. We get rid of Diaw AND Banks. Memphis gets some good young players. Obviously they are sour on Warrick which who knows he might be better suited for another team.

The big factor here is Wallace. Wallace can't score. Fine. But he sure as hell shores up our defense and rebounding deficiency in 1 foul swoop. Moves Amare to the PF and puts Miller as our deadeye SF.

Joe Smith can be a decent role player. Other than that he's filler.

This is a pipe dream but I'm just amazed it even works.

[SpecialSauce]

Nash/LB
Hill/Bell
Miller/Warrick
Amare/Smith
Wallace/Skinner

I don't really like the dynamics of that team. Wallace has absolutely 0 offense, and our 2nd unit would be pathetic (oh wait, no different than it is now!)

[y2jjedipimp]

We're going to lose Marion most likely. The dynamics of the team will change drastically regardless. I know what you're saying about Wallace. He can't shoot outside of 5 feet. However, he can catch a ball pretty well and dunk it. Which is what he will mostly be called on to do. Based on Marion's tendency to blow point blank shots, I don't think we're downgrading from someone who can finish. Wallace can also run the floor. He's athletic. Yeah, he has been in 2 systems who go the opposite speed of fast but I think that is what has been hindering him the past few years. He's not a half court player. I'm not saying he's going to come here and immediately be an awesome player again and fit right into our system on offense. That would take some time. Defensively, he's as sound as we're ever going to get here in Phoenix for a big guy. That takes a hell of alot of pressure off Amare.

I realize with these changes we would have to making a coachig change or atleast change the coaching mentality.

You're right in saying the bench isn't going to get any worse. However, we have 2 guys in DJ and Tucker that are waiting to contribute.

Joe Smith is a throw in at this point. I don't like him. Never have. Sit him. Cut him. Use him as an expiring contract next year.

So our rotation looks like this


Nash
Bell
Miller
Amare
Wallace

Babs
Hill
Skinner
DJ
Tucker
Warrick
Smith

or we could go with a line-up of

Nash
Babs
Hill
Amare
Wallace

and have Miller as a 6th man. Which i believe he won a 6th man of the year award before.

No maore worrying about Banks playing up to expectations
No more lazy Diaw.

Whats not to like?

[jed]

Here's a trade i actually made that worked...throw in the necc picks etc to get it dont but it looks like a winner to me.


Chicago Bulls

Incoming Players
Shawn Marion
Salary: $16,440,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 16.0 REB: 10.3 AST: 2.1 PER: 20.10

Boris Diaw
Salary: $9,000,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 7.2 REB: 4.1 AST: 3.6 PER: 9.81

Andre Brown
Salary: $770,610 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.8 REB: 1.5 AST: 0.2 PER: 11.21

Pau Gasol
Salary: $13,735,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 18.9 REB: 8.7 AST: 2.9 PER: 20.42


Memphis Grizzlies

Incoming Players
Joakim Noah
Salary: $2,135,400 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 4.5 REB: 3.4 AST: 0.9 PER: 18.27

Marcus Banks
Salary: $3,966,207 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 5.8 REB: 0.9 AST: 1.1 PER: 12.34

Chris Duhon
Salary: $3,248,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 5.4 REB: 1.9 AST: 3.8 PER: 9.27

JamesOn Curry
Salary: $427,163 Years Remaining: 2

Andres Nocioni
Salary: $8,500,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 13.8 REB: 4.8 AST: 1.3 PER: 15.40

Ben Gordon
Salary: $4,881,669 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 18.7 REB: 3.7 AST: 2.8 PER: 14.33


Phoenix Suns

Incoming Players
Mike Miller
Salary: $8,376,194 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 16.3 REB: 6.9 AST: 4.0 PER: 15.84

Joe Smith
Salary: $5,205,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.4 REB: 5.2 AST: 0.9 PER: 17.76

Hakim Warrick
Salary: $1,376,040 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 7.3 REB: 2.8 AST: 0.3 PER: 16.38

Ben Wallace
Salary: $15,500,000 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 4.4 REB: 8.9 AST: 2.0 PER: 11.95


Outgoing Players: Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Marcus Banks



Only flaws I see are that Memphis might have a log jam at point again. They would buyout Stoudamire however and Have Lowry Conley and Banks.

It gets rid of each teams baggage however. Wallace is baggage to the Bulls obviously. We get rid of Diaw AND Banks. Memphis gets some good young players. Obviously they are sour on Warrick which who knows he might be better suited for another team.

The big factor here is Wallace. Wallace can't score. Fine. But he sure as hell shores up our defense and rebounding deficiency in 1 foul swoop. Moves Amare to the PF and puts Miller as our deadeye SF.

Joe Smith can be a decent role player. Other than that he's filler.

This is a pipe dream but I'm just amazed it even works.

I love the wizardry it took to put that together, pimp. But I gotta say -- I hate that lineup for us.

[y2jjedipimp]

yes it did take wizardry....about an hour of worktime to be honest. It came alomst by accident. My original intention was to send Smith to memphis and Andre Brown to Phx but i clicked a few things out of order but it ended up working cap-wise.

Ok, so you hate the line-up. But what if we knew we were going to lose Marion? Which you must understand is very likely. Who would you rather have or would you just have him walk? And let's also pretend were getting the Detroit Ben Wallace. We pretend everygame we're going to get the 05-06 Diaw so....

[jed]

Oh -- I'm assuming we're eventually going to lose Marion. We're not willing to pay him what he wants. It's that simple.

Still, I think we can get some value back for him. Now, will it be another All-Star? I don't know -- but I think we might be able to grab some young talent and certainly some solid roleplayers.

I think with your trade, I don't like he additions of Smith and Wallace. Wallace is just a bad contract now. If he's not declining because of age, he's doing so because of attitude. And I want no part of either.

[Miamisun]

Marion for AK 47 still possible

[y2jjedipimp]

I gotcha. My take on Marion's value is that he can walk away from whoever gets him. He holds hardly any value to a team he doesnt want to play on. mainly all but 2 teams i can think of. LA and Chicago (where he's from). I don't thik we can trade him to anywhere but those 2 teams. The Suns will not do anythign to benefit the Lakers so forget that. The Bulls are the only option. Now if you want to invlove a 4th team to take Wallace so be it. The only team I can think of to do that is the Knicks. Do we want anything from the Knicks? not that i can think of. Keep in mind we have to match Marion' s salary. Balkman and Lee are both on rookie contracts.

[Indy]

Marion for AK 47 still possible

Please no. I was always against that, for the mere fact that the contracts are basically the same, except AK's is two (or is it 3?) years longer.

[Shabazz]

There is ZERO way Marion opts out this summer. If he wants $20 million from the Suns he's going to have to be willing to take half of that from another team and I don't see him swallowing $10 mil a year in pride. The only team scheduled to be significantly under the cap this summer ($10-13 Million) is philly and I think they have bigger and better things (Elton Brand) in mind. Plus they're pretty deep at the 3 with Iggy, Thad young and Carney.

[Indy]

Right. Nobody walks away from 18 million dollars in the current salary situation around the league.

[jed]

I agree. Whoever trades for him has him for the rest of this season and the next.

[Phoenix219]

Or we keep him the next 2 years, get what we can out of him, offer him something decent, and if he walks, its his bad, and we still clear 17 mil in cap space off the books rather than be stuck with whoever we traded him for and their contract.

Keep Marion. Try to keep him. Let him do as he will.

Next.

[SunsFan4Life]

Marion won't reach another all-star team once he leaves Phoenix.

I'm on record

[SunsFan4Life]

BTW, All this Speculating I am curious for thos ein the Phoenix Area what Gambo and Ash or other Phoenix Redio Personalities are saying? We will do nothing? Marion on the Block? Kerr targetting anyone?

[SwingMan]

Bump - fucking threads getting flooded yet again, people.....

[Indy]

Bump - fucking threads getting flooded yet again, people.....

Why do you keep bumping this thread, and so angry about it? Besides, SF4L posted in here today...

[SwingMan]

If I wanted to read meaningless drivvel in every thread, I'd go to AzCentral, Indy - that's why.

[Indy]

That has nothing to do with bumping this thread, but whatever. You are obviously in a bad mood today. I hope things get better for you (like a win tonight, maybe).

[SwingMan]

The bumps are merely to put this thread in easier view and to keep from being buried - so the trade bullshit doesn't always float to the nearest thread.

Hell, this thing needs a sticky.....

[SpecialSauce]

This is very minor, which is why it's not goin into the radical changes thread (I still don't get why we need 2 trade threads), but I would really like Gerald Green on this team. Swingman that is shooting 40%+ from the 3 this year, and is athletic as HELL + 6'8

[jkalldaway]

From Another Board::::


Hey guys Im a frequent view to the message board and this is my first post so go easy on me http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif. I was listening to XTRA Sports 910 and I heard of a rumor that Phoenix and Memphis were involved in talks in swapping their two big men. I wanted to call in but I couldnt get through. They reported that Memphis would send Pau Gasol, Mike MIller, Hakim Warrick, and Damon Stoudamire to Phoenix for ATL's 1st rounder, Amare, Boris, and Marcus. I dont know if the money even works and if their is any truth to those rumors so please dont flame. Im kindof iffy on this one. I really love Amare and dont wanna give him up, but he obviously isnt too fond of being in Phoenix playing for a title contendor and Pau is unhappy in Memphis. PLus Gasol is one of the best low post scorers in the leauge if not the best, Mike Miller may be the best shooter in the leauge, Damon can be a good backup, and Hakim Warrick can score at will, although his defense isnt up to par. We get alot of offense back, but we still will be weak inside. When I heard their was a possibility in a sawap between Pau and Amare straight up and I didnt like it, but this kinda jumps out on me, but I hope it doesn't and doubt this will happen...thoughts?

[jed]

From Another Board::::


Hey guys Im a frequent view to the message board and this is my first post so go easy on me http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif. I was listening to XTRA Sports 910 and I heard of a rumor that Phoenix and Memphis were involved in talks in swapping their two big men. I wanted to call in but I couldnt get through. They reported that Memphis would send Pau Gasol, Mike MIller, Hakim Warrick, and Damon Stoudamire to Phoenix for ATL's 1st rounder, Amare, Boris, and Marcus. I dont know if the money even works and if their is any truth to those rumors so please dont flame. Im kindof iffy on this one. I really love Amare and dont wanna give him up, but he obviously isnt too fond of being in Phoenix playing for a title contendor and Pau is unhappy in Memphis. PLus Gasol is one of the best low post scorers in the leauge if not the best, Mike Miller may be the best shooter in the leauge, Damon can be a good backup, and Hakim Warrick can score at will, although his defense isnt up to par. We get alot of offense back, but we still will be weak inside. When I heard their was a possibility in a sawap between Pau and Amare straight up and I didnt like it, but this kinda jumps out on me, but I hope it doesn't and doubt this will happen...thoughts?

The last time X-tra had an actual scoop, Gambo and Ash were still there. Not saying it's completely bunk, because there's no way of knowing what's being discussed, but I'm doubtful.

[jkalldaway]

True. I hope it's false. I love Amare and I think he is finally BACK.

[EDC]

It is amazing how it is so much more enjoyable to watch the Suns when Amare is in the game. It goes back to the days when you never knew what kinda of crazy freakin dunk he would pull. So you were glued to the screen anytime he was in the game. Just waiting for something amazing. Even when he was coming back from injuries you always wanted to see what he would do. He really is starting to come back into form and you can't wait till they throw him the ball to see what he is going to do. Of course sometimes it backfires with a charge call or something. Most of the time he does something amazing though.

It would be devastating to see him traded. Having Amare and Boris suspended was a big hit to me as a fan last season. After we lost that series I just was like i need to try and be a little less vested in the Suns. A little more laid back and accept the losses without getting too upset. It has worked to some extent but I keep getting sucked back in and letting it get me upset when we start to lose. I really think if the Suns just trade Amare away it would be much easier to not really care. I would still be a fan of the Suns and cheer them on. It would just be more like the 2001-2002 season where you expected we weren't going to do well and the outcome just didn't effect you so much.

I just really hope the Suns organization doesn't do this. Where is a Colangelo when you need one. :)

[JediSkywalker]

I don't like the Amare-Gasol one to one trade. I also don't like the Suns giving up 3-4 players and bringing in new players (that is, new to the Suns system) in mid season. I think it will take them completely out of contention for a title this year.

In any case I don't think it will actually happen. Teams are often talking, but nothing really happens most of the time because of all the complications in multi-player trades in particular. However, Golden state did remarkably well last year, with a mid season multiplayer trade. I just don't like doing it on the Suns team.

[Andy_S]

If I wanted to read meaningless drivvel in every thread, I'd go to AzCentral, Indy - that's why.

For future reference, bumps in threads that people are actively posting in ARE meaningless drivel, because they just spam the thread that is already being posted in. :wink:

[SwingMan]

(paraphrase)

And here's Andy - back, all sleep refreshed and ready to resume his lecture!

;)

[Andy_S]

That was just the start of my lecture! I'll resume a bit later.

[CNY_xplant]

From Another Board::::


Hey guys Im a frequent view to the message board and this is my first post so go easy on me http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/images/smilies/smile.gif. I was listening to XTRA Sports 910 and I heard of a rumor that Phoenix and Memphis were involved in talks in swapping their two big men. I wanted to call in but I couldnt get through. They reported that Memphis would send Pau Gasol, Mike MIller, Hakim Warrick, and Damon Stoudamire to Phoenix for ATL's 1st rounder, Amare, Boris, and Marcus. I dont know if the money even works and if their is any truth to those rumors so please dont flame. Im kindof iffy on this one. I really love Amare and dont wanna give him up, but he obviously isnt too fond of being in Phoenix playing for a title contendor and Pau is unhappy in Memphis. PLus Gasol is one of the best low post scorers in the leauge if not the best, Mike Miller may be the best shooter in the leauge, Damon can be a good backup, and Hakim Warrick can score at will, although his defense isnt up to par. We get alot of offense back, but we still will be weak inside. When I heard their was a possibility in a sawap between Pau and Amare straight up and I didnt like it, but this kinda jumps out on me, but I hope it doesn't and doubt this will happen...thoughts?

Two big problems with this trade scenario.
First, nothing in that group from Memphis is worth the ATL pick AND Amare.
Second, Amare must not be traded.

If one of the core players HAS to be traded, then it should be Shawn. I don't agree with trading any of the core players anyways, Shawn just happens to have a skillset easier to replace than Amare or Steve.

If this team is to do a trade before the deadline, it would be a very bad idea to break up the core. Diaw, Banks, Marks, or Pike, yes, but the rest NO. Then again, nobody in that four has any trade value anyway.

Getting a hold of Miller, Warrick, and Damon could be a great help to get us over the top this year. I like Pau, but not as a replacement to Amare.

[JustWinBaby]

Since we lost to the Wolves and sucked doing it, I suppose we should start some more trade rumors.

This is in no way a rumor, it it is all mine idea.

Boris and Banks and Atlanta Pick to the Bulls for Nocioni and Noah.

The reports are that the Bulls are shopping Nocioni, why not try to get him? Noah had that run in last week, why not go after him?

My bet is the Bulls wouldn't do it but if I were Kerr I would make the call.

If they don't like Boris and Banks, I wouldn't then I would offer the Atlanta pick + take your pick of these guys to make the salaries match up (Marks, Pike, Tucker or Strawberry) - for NOah only.

From Gambo and Ash the FO is reportedly calling around trying to get another big man after last nights fiasco.

Steve Kerr on the phone this morning..........

Steve says: Hey PJ how is you day going?

PJ: It is just great. You guys just lost to the worst team in the league and got killed on the boards.

Steve: Yep - it ain't pretty PJ.

PJ: Before you ask again, the price just went up

Steve: OK . What is your price today?

[SpecialSauce]

it's time to trade lb.

[ShelC]

Only after last nights "fiasco" are they scrambling to get another big? We can get another big, but will MikeD play him. With Jefferson, you need a smaller, wide-body banger to matchup. Thats not MikeD's style.

[Superbone]

Give me a break. Being outhustled doesn't mean we need another big. It's not like D'Antoni would play him anyway.

[MTSunsFan]

SK, Barbs is the least of our problems right now, so I don't see how trading him would do the team any good...

[BlaCkAdDa]

If we're tradign with memphis, the trade i'd like to see us do is ... (drumroll please)


Marcus Banks for Kyle Lowry


We get a legit backup point guard for the future, and they get another scoring combo guard. They've pushed lowry down the peckign order since they got conley, and I think he's a legit player...

What you guys think?

[Shabazz]

Sorry JWB - As you said, I don't see Chicago doing that deal at all. I don't even think it's close. The thinking behind that rumored deal with Nocioni going to NJ was that Chicago would dump salary (it was also a bad trade and thus rejected, but not as bad for Chi as this one), so no way Chicago parts with a rookie with a ton of upside and their only consistent performer this year for two underachievers with albatross contracts.

BlackAdda - There is no way Memphis is dumb enough to do that trade (even if the salaries worked, which they don't). Lowry's a stud on a rookie contract. Banks sucks ass.

2 points on all these proposed trades:

- I don't think the Atlanta pick is even going to end up being such a pot sweetener. It's looking like The Hawks are either going to just make the playoffs or just miss it so we're looking at a pick in the 13-17 range. Not bad. You could probably get a rotation player/ decent project with that pick. But I don't think it's gonna be enough of a bonus for someone to take an awful contracts like Diaw's off our hands.

- It's funny how we rip guys like Diaw and Banks on this board and then when we propose trades we pimp them up when justifying why the other team would do the trade. It's like "Team X can use a sweet-shooting, defensive maven like Banks or an athletic, low-post wiz like Diaw." Come on. If the average Suns fan knows how bad Banks sucks, the average GM does too (well, except maybe Isiah).

We're not going to get a great deal if we trade Banks. Teams don't want expensive reclamation projects. I think the best we can hope for is a big with an equally bad contract or a locker room cancer on an expiring deal like Damon Jones.

[BlaCkAdDa]

meh so at least we're agreed on the quality of Lowry (memphis arent playing him though)

I'd throw in some picks or whatever to make it happen :) We do need that backup PG of the future here, and I doubt we're getting Cp3 '_

[AlanS]

We're not going to get a great deal if we trade Banks. Teams don't want expensive reclamation projects. I think the best we can hope for is a big with an equally bad contract or a locker room cancer on an expiring deal like Damon Jones.

True.

[JustWinBaby]

Realistically the only big I can see us getting without trading Marion and Barbosa, Amare is PJ Brown. There are serious questions about his conditioning and want to play limited minutes.

However in another thread I mentioned that I bet that Chicago wishes they still had him. He is tough and can make the mid range jumper. He in my mind still is the perfect fit for the need, if he can still play.

If we trade Marion, Amare or LB or team changes dramatically, not necessarily for the better.

[SpecialSauce]

If we trade Marion, Amare or LB or team changes dramatically, not necessarily for the better.

:roll: You can't group LB's name in there with Amare and Marion. He doesn't mean nearly as much to this team as the two of them do. LB is playing just as poorly as Diaw, I don't get why he gets such a pass around here. Oh wait, because he's cute and everyone's got a mancrush on him.

[JustWinBaby]

If we trade Marion, Amare or LB or team changes dramatically, not necessarily for the better.

:roll: You can't group LB's name in there with Amare and Marion. He doesn't mean nearly as much to this team as the two of them do. LB is playing just as poorly as Diaw, I don't get why he gets such a pass around here. Oh wait, because he's cute and everyone's got a mancrush on him.

Sauce I ain't a big fan either.

Unfortunately LB ain't gonna get you a big on any value all by himself. Even if he did we really have no one to fill his role.

I would package him with Boris in a heartbeat however you ain't getting a bag of beans for Boris at this point.

I stand by my ideal deal.

Shawn and LB + if necessary the Atlanta Pick for Gasol and Miller.

We get a center to protect Amare, a shooter to replace LB and reduce payroll.

Quite frankly I can see Memphis buying this deal and they really would not care and possibly hope for Shawn to opt out. They would free up mega bucks for this summers free agent crop.

The good thing for us is that we will lose some speed and may in fact have to get better on the boards to compete and we would.

[SpecialSauce]

I don't like Gasol at all. He's garbage. I do like this deal though that I thought of.

Something like this involving Miami and NJ:

Suns send:
Barbosa
Diaw
Tucker

Suns receive:
Udonis Haslem
Marcus Williams
Smush Parker (we could just cut him)

NJN send:
Vince Carter
Marcus Williams
Jamaal Magloire

NJN receive:
Boris Diaw
LB
Alando Tucker
Ricky Davis

Miami sends:
Udonis Haslem
Ricky Davis
Smush Parker

Miami receives:
Vince Carter
Jamaal Magloire


This would leave us with a great defender in Haslem, and a nice, young backup PG in Williams...along with getting rid of Boris's terrible contract. It works under the trade checker on realgm, and would leave us with a lineup of:

Nash/Williams
Bell/Williams/Hill/DJ
Marion/Hill/DJ
Haslem/Skinner
Amare/Skinner

I like NJ's starting 5 also:

Kidd
LB
RJ
Boris
whoever their starting 5 is

and obviously Miami gets VC

[fixxxer]

Haslem's a decent rebounder, but not a very good one. He's also a gritty, fundamentally sound defender, but his lack of size hurts him. He's not going to shut down (or even slow down) the low post bigs of of the west.

I (begrudgingly) have come to the conclusion that we ought to ship out the Atlanta pick for an additional piece. David Lee comes to mind. A "Banks + The Corpse Formerly Known as Pike + Atlanta pick for Lee + Fred Jones' expiring contract" swap comes to mind.

For the Knicks: They are, for better or worse... probably worse, committed to the Randolph/Curry frontline, scourge of buffet tables everywhere, and Lee's minutes and production have gone down this year.

They'll end up with a good pick this year and the Atlanta pick could prove to be an excellent trade-up chip for them. Plus, they have a gaping hole at PG now that they've seemingly severed all ties to He of Many Wonderful and Vibrant Shades of Insane. (Improbably enough, that descriptor is somewhat ambiguous: I'm referring to Marbury and not Isiah or Dolan.) Banks should be a pretty decent stop-gap solution for them at the point.

For the Suns: Lee's defense is an approximation of Haslem's. He's slightly less fundamentally and not as strong, but more heretic in his hustle. Plus, he's a better rebounder and a very efficient scorer from 10 feet in. And as always, moving forward, getting out from under Banks' radioactive contract would be a big plus for the Suns.

EDIT: Hmm, upon further review, I think we're sorta ripping them off. The pick will probably end up in the mid-teens, and that's prolly not enough value for them to both give up Lee AND take on Banks' contract. Still, we ARE talking Isiah Thomas.

[v9]

Why does everyone want to trade Barbosa? He's a starting 2-guard playing as a backup PG. It's not HIS fault that he kills chemistry on the floor.

Why do some people hate on Amare? He's an unbelievable PF playing as a C. It's not HIS fault that nobody picks up his man when he's playing weak-side defense.

If someone has to be traded, it should be Marion (for something good) or Boris (for anything of value). Don't drag Amare or poor Barbosa into the morass...

[SpecialSauce]

"poor" barbosa :roll:

[SunsFan4Life]

Sauce no offense but the Suns would be much worse with that trade you thought up.

Haslem is kinda an undersized PF....plays hard but Diaw is better. Marcus Williams gets hurt every other week...He is an "Ok" Backup PG but nothing special and doesn't push the pace really. We lose all r bench production and replace it with a marginal backup PG and a tweener. Oh and Smush Parker is as garbage as they come. I'll pass.

[SunsFan4Life]

Cleveland just lost their Best shooter for 2 Months (Pavlovic). That along with their PG Problems makes that they most likely destination for Banks. Let them make there Bid for Bibby and as the deadline closes in and they can't get him they'll go to plan B..then C then on down the line. Banks Is prob Plan C or D for them.

[v9]

"poor" barbosa :roll:

You have yet to convince me why Barbosa would be great (not just good) as a full-time SG. He's just not meant to play backup point...

[phnart]

yes, but what kind of crap off of Cleveland's roster would we have to take for Banks? Maybe we could get Seattle to throw in a first round pick and make it a 3 way trade.

[scosuns]

Barbosa isn't a backup PG. I'm sure that the Suns know that. If they don't, then they are the most incompetent fools on the face of the Earth. Anyways, we need a backup PG that is a pass-first type PG. We have the players to go around him that can score. Barbosa isn't a passer and thats why we have such trouble scoring when Nash is out.

Second, we don't hav eenough bigs and thats obvious. I think a defensive minded big man should be second to a pass-first point guard though. My tired thoughts.

[ShelC]

Barbosa isnt a starting 2 guard either. Hes a suped up bobby jackson in his prime. Hes a poor mans arenas. Hes the running version of Ben Gordon.

Hes a backup scorer.

[SwingMan]

Bump - say what you want, but it's getting out of hand again for chrissakes.....

[sehan]

hehe... .all these trade scenarios after Shabazz's "too" sensible post about how we overvalue our garbage players in trade scenarios.... brings new meaning to falling on deaf ears. hehe I love it.