Leandro Barbosa is the Anti-Sun

[SpecialSauce]

STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!! OMGGGGGG PLEASE STOP DRIBBLE DRIBBLE DRIBBLE ....shoot a 3 with a man in your face. HOLY SHIT stop stop stop. I'm watching the Suns game and I can't enjoy the game because he keeps jacking shots up and I'm getting so annoyed. He is the opposite of what we stand for. He doesn't understand how to move the ball, he doesn't take smart shots. HE IS SO OVERRATED by the casual Suns fan. JUST STOP JACKING SHOTS UP. We had a 10 point lead until he decided to start throwing bricks up. Not only do we not score, he takes Amare out of the game, along with everyone else. PASS THE FUCKING BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Until he learns or we get rid of him, we won't go anywhere in the playoffs. When he is in we are terrible unless he is having one of those white hot nights (that won't happen in the playoffs when teams play at a higher defensive intensity)

[jkalldaway]

Stupid post. Post t in the game thread.

[SpecialSauce]

It's more than just this game, this game just happens to symbolize his entire career with the Suns thus far.

[jkalldaway]

Again, dumb post.

[SpecialSauce]

fair enough, you don't have to agree.

[sunsdotcom]

i agree with jkalldaway

[Suns_Dave]

JKalldawhatever is right. Retarded post.

[SpecialSauce]

Damn, whatever. Delete the thread then if it's really that taboo to say anything bad about Barbosa and him single handedly dropping the Suns out of the elite teams in the league.

[Spanky]

<removed by me> no need to start this shit tonight. Sorry sauce.

[Xcon]

Raja that! ;-)

[AmareIsGod]

Horrible thread. You denounce us when we criticize Diaw. Yet, here you are are, creating your own thread going bezerk about Barbosa.

[SpecialSauce]

First of all, I never denounced you for criticizing Boris. You guys were the ones that got all emotional about it. I said I disagreed, and we were having a discussion about it. I never said that the criticism was unwarranted, I said that the REASONING behind some of your criticisms was ridiculous. People on this board act like Boris shows 0 hustle and does nothing right on the court, that's what I had an issue with. His mentality is what is flawed, not his intensity, and not his game. Then what really got the argument going was the fact that one of you ( I don't remember who) blamed Boris's passiveness on the fact that he likes to pose without a shirt on with girls in public. That's just ridiculous and irrational.

You wanna have a level headed, unbiased argument about Boris's play? Fine. But if you're gonna be all crazy and say that the reason he sucks is because he likes to have a good time, then I'm gonna back him up 100% and say that you're crazy.

[AmareIsGod]

First of all, I agree. Barbosa needs to stop shooting the ball so goddamn much. I was yelling at him at least 3 or 4 times tonight through the TV set to pass the fuggin' ball.

Second, I'm dissapointed in you because you could post this in the gameday thread. You've already made your point about 50 times in that thread. Then you go and make this thread as well. We get it.

[misteradiant]

remember swingman's unhappiness with james jones last year? well, the poltergeist of a sun hater that inhabited him then now lives in stids. the only way for it to stop is for us to kill the host. stids, it's your only hope.

take that, mother of a daughter who wants to play a prank on another girl who commits suicide over it. convincing someone to kill themselves must not be illegal. now i understand the dark power that has propelled george bush to the presidency. do it, stids, kill yourself or leandro barbosa. the ghost is more powerful now. swingman has been left drained. he almost apologized today for offending with his threadline. last year, it would not have even been close.

but there is another way, a way to the light. you can just drop the over the top rage and think of ways to utilize what leo does well instead of dwelling on his deficiencies. see what he does that makes us a better team, a team that beats the spurs in san antonio. yeah, he jacks up great gobs of gastrointestinal gongs, but he keeps the opponent edgy either way.

suns win!

[misteradiant]

oh yeah, and BOO!

[SpecialSauce]

First of all, I agree. Barbosa needs to stop shooting the ball so goddamn much. I was yelling at him at least 3 or 4 times tonight through the TV set to pass the fuggin' ball.

Second, I'm dissapointed in you because you could post this in the gameday thread. You've already made your point about 50 times in that thread. Then you go and make this thread as well. We get it.

Really, you mean like the Boris thread?? I don't understand why we can have an entire thread dedicated to Boris but not LB.

[sehan]

Well, I agree that your timing is little off with this joyous day and all (basically, we should be dancing naked in the street till Wed....), but I too share you frustration with LB.

He is at his best when he (1) catches and shoots or (2) is running out for a easy lay-up. He is at his worst, when he is dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling and dribbling.

Some one needs to tell him he is not a point guard, period. Despite all this talk about his handles and speed with the ball, he is just not good with the dribble decision making. Mainly cause he dosn't keep his head up when he dribbles.

But you see the conundrum with this fragile ego. The day after that 17 shot attempt debacle, he shrinks up and takes only 5 shots, prompting D'Antonie to publicly stroke his ego by telling him he needs to shoot more. On any other team, he may become a super star or he may shrink up and disappear into the bench.

I would say trade his ass, but he's contract is SO~~~ cheap doubt it happens. At this point, we have enough other point guard options I would be happy with a decent sized two instead of LB. Heck, I'd take Q. Richardson if it weren't for that bloated contract we gave him.

All in all, we are stuck with him as our two and we need him to win, especially in light of shitty shooting from Nash and Bell. Just wish that other D'Antonie convinces LB that he is no point guard.

By the way what is he doing these days - I mean how can someone get paid for babbying a player the whole season? Is LB going to need these baby sitter for his entire career?

[Nodack]

I'm happy we have LB and I think we got him for a steal.

Does he shoot too much? Maybe.


The day after that 17 shot attempt debacle, he shrinks up and takes only 5 shots, prompting D'Antoni to publicly stroke his ego by telling him he needs to shoot more.

After he only shot 5 shots D'Antoni did tell him to shoot more. Why did D'Antoni tell him that? I think you implied that he only did it to stroke his delicate ego, but didn't really mean for him to shoot more. I think D'Antoni meant for LB to continue being LB even if he hits a slump like every player that has ever played gets into.

As much as you hate LB, it's probably not as much as opposing teams do when they have to try to guard him.


I would say trade his ass, but he's contract is SO~~~ cheap doubt it happens.

Let's see, just in the few threads I have read today we need to trade Barbosa, Amare, Marion and Boris Diaw. Of course Banks is on that list too, but people got tired of posting it. Don't forget the "shitty shooting from Nash and Bell". This is the day after we just beat San Antonio in San Antonio for their first loss at home this season.

The Suns sure do have great fans.

[SpecialSauce]

If I were opposing teams, I would love to play him in the playoffs. Stopping LB is all about the effort to get to his spot before he can, because you know that once he's made up his mind, he WON'T pass. In the playoffs when teams are playing harder, it's so easy to stop him and force the turnover or low percentage shot.

[Nodack]

it's so easy to stop him and force the turnover or low percentage shot

Last year in the first round before he got injured he averaged 21 points and 45% shooting with 2.3 TO's. It doesn't seem like it was so easy to stop him to me.

Last year in the second round Barbosa injured his elbow, but they tried to keep it hush hush. If anything stopped Barbs it was that.


Stopping LB is all about the effort to get to his spot before he can

Getting someplace before Barbosa does when he is in a hurry to get there would take more than effort for most guys in the NBA.

[Xcon]

Ok Nodack, just quit it with the facts ;-)

[AlanS]

LB is not the anti-Suns. But he is very inconsistent this season. He's had several bad shooting nights, and his 3PT touch has abandoned him. On occassion, his bad shooting has really hurt the team.

But when he's running the court and successfully hitting the 3, he is the living embodiment of Phoenix Suns basketball. Hopefully, he can get some of his consistency back as the season progresses.

[misteradiant]

If I were opposing teams, I would love to play him in the playoffs. Stopping LB is all about the effort to get to his spot before he can, because you know that once he's made up his mind, he WON'T pass. In the playoffs when teams are playing harder, it's so easy to stop him and force the turnover or low percentage shot.

and by then the coaching staff will recognize that and he'll be off the floor at crunch time. big deal. let raja play those minutes and be a badass in the craw of an opposing guard. see if i care.

[Nodack]

LB is not the anti-Suns. But he is very inconsistent this season. He's had several bad shooting nights, and his 3PT touch has abandoned him. On occasion, his bad shooting has really hurt the team.

But when he's running the court and successfully hitting the 3, he is the living embodiment of Phoenix Suns basketball. Hopefully, he can get some of his consistency back as the season progresses.

I think you could use that same statement for the whole team. You could go right down the list on the Suns or probably every single NBA team and see that various guys get hot and go cold throughout the season. Barbosa started out as the hottest Sun when the season started along with Nash and maybe Marion. Bell and Hill couldn't hit the side of a barn. Now Nash is struggling along with Barbosa and Marion and Bell and especially Hill are now the "Hot guys". You could go down the list, but that's not that important. What's important is that you recognize that people will get hot and cold at different times of the year and to not get too stressed out over the cold shooting every player will go through. There are all kinds of reasons for bad shooting such as injury, fatigue, good defense or just an off night. You just hope it all works out in the end and that as many players as possible are healthy and hot come the playoff time.

[SpecialSauce]

I'm so sick of people further babying Barbosa by blaming his woes in the playoffs on an injury. Just face it, he is Cliff Robinson (chokeaholic)

[Andy_S]

Damn, whatever. Delete the thread then if it's really that taboo to say anything bad about Barbosa and him single handedly dropping the Suns out of the elite teams in the league.

It's not taboo to say it. However, you need to know that people have the right to disagree with you when you say something dumb, which you did. Criticism of Barbosa? Warranted. Your level of rhetoric? Kinda dumb.

So, take it like a man. People don't agree with you. It's ok.

[Phoenix219]

I don't see how it is Barbs that "dropped us from the elite teams" - first of all we're top 3 - and its not Barbs job to box out and get boards - so yea... whatever.

I DO think he should be starting, and have that offensive energy corralled by Nash. He'll get some open shots, start to feel it, then when the subs come in, bam, they get nothing but a rested lockdown defender in Bell.

[SwingMan]

I'm so sick of people further babying Barbosa by blaming his woes in the playoffs on an injury. Just face it, he is Cliff Robinson (chokeaholic)

Saucy, it was in print after the playoffs that Babs had suffered that elbow injury during the Lakers' series.....

[SpecialSauce]

I don't think it affected him to the point where he blew easy layups or made stupid decisions.

Fine, it hurt his 3 point shot, but everything else? Everybody gives him a free pass because of his elbow injury.

[Phoenix219]

I'd say that could definately affect both layups and jumpers, but not stupid decisions. Lets compromise in the middle. :)

[MEE]

This from this article (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/1219suns.html) at AZ Central ...


• D'Antoni, on guard Leandro Barbosa's 19 shots Monday: "He can get a shot anytime he wants. They just can't guard him. He's unbelievable. . . . When he makes those shots, which he will, more times than he misses, we're going to beat them. I'm not touching it."It appears that Leandro has Coach D's blessing, Saucy, like it or not.

[Sunny_Kid]

It's too bad the site can only delete some post , not someone.

[SpecialSauce]

This from this article (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/1219suns.html) at AZ Central ...

It appears that Leandro has Coach D's blessing, Saucy, like it or not.


That's not the only thing I dislike about coach. I love how in Jerry Brown's article Jerry goes on to say something like "despite him monopolizing the 2nd unit's offense, and making them more predictable." Gotta love Jerry Brown

[SpecialSauce]

It's too bad the site can only delete some post , not someone.

Good input Sunny

[Superbone]

Good input Sunny

:lol:

[Nodack]

I'm so sick of people further babying Barbosa by blaming his woes in the playoffs on an injury. Just face it, he is Cliff Robinson (chokeaholic)

Last Year First Round

Amare 24 PPG, 55% FG%
Barbosa 21 PPG, 45% FG%
Marion 18 PPG, 48% FG%
Nash16PPG, 43%FG%
Diaw 7 PPG, 51% FG%
Bell 7 PPG, 39% FG%
KT 5 PPG, 61% FG%

Round 2

Amare 26PPG, 50% FG%
Nash 21 PPG, 48% FG%
Marion 15 PPG, 52% FG%
Bell 12 PPG, .50% FG%
Barbosa 11PPG, 35% FG%
KT 9 PPG, 48% FG%
Diaw 5 PPG, 42% FG%

Playoff Averages

Amare 25 PPG
Nash 18 PPG
Marion 16 PPG
Barbosa 16 PPG
Bell 9 PPG
Diaw 6 PPG
KT 7 PPG

Don't let the facts get in the way of your rant Saucy.

[SpecialSauce]

Don't worry, I won't. Don't bother to post his turnovers, or bold his round 2 averages. Continue to let your bias show Nodack, totally cool

[jkalldaway]

Yeah, LA loooooved guarding him.

[SpecialSauce]

He had nearly a 1/1 assist to turnover ratio in the playoffs last year. For a backup PG, that is absolutely terrible.

[jkalldaway]

Sauce, if you are going to open up an argument, be prepared to defend it and admit its faults. You are blindly sticking by an opinion when blatant facts go against it. Single handedly taking us out of contention? We are a 1/2 game out of first in the west. His injury didn't hurt is play in the playoffs? How the hell could you possibly know that? LB is one of the young talents in this league. Where are you when Raja goes 1-6 from three (which he often has) this season and he keeps chucking. What about when Hill was shooting so many three's early on? Did you post threads about them? I'm not an LB homer but when I see an argument that is put so strongly in one direction without any facts to support it I have to chime in.

[jkalldaway]

He had nearly a 1/1 assist to turnover ratio in the playoffs last year. For a backup PG, that is absolutely terrible.

He was mainly playing off the ball last year in the playoffs.

[SpecialSauce]

He was mainly playing off the ball last year in the playoffs.


....no he wasn't. Who was the backup PG then?

[SpecialSauce]

Sauce, if you are going to open up an argument, be prepared to defend it and admit its faults. You are blindly sticking by an opinion when blatant facts go against it. Single handedly taking us out of contention? We are a 1/2 game out of first in the west. His injury didn't hurt is play in the playoffs? How the hell could you possibly know that? LB is one of the young talents in this league. Where are you when Raja goes 1-6 from three (which he often has) this season and he keeps chucking. What about when Hill was shooting so many three's early on? Did you post threads about them? I'm not an LB homer but when I see an argument that is put so strongly in one direction without any facts to support it I have to chime in.

An injury isn't going to make an effect on the decisions you make. Fact of the matter is, he continued to be the rookie Barbosa in driving in traffic and getting a charge, or going way too fast and jumping out of bounds and rather throwing up a wild shot or wild pass. That is, unless the injury is an emotional injury :roll:

I can deal with shooting slumps, which is why I'm not all over Raja, and I HAVE been on Hill. I hate it when Hill pops for a midrange J when he's on a 1 on 4 fastbreak.

Shooting slumps are not the issue, poor decisions are. Barbs consistently shoots when he should be moving the ball around, and he holds onto the ball way too long. This year more than ever he is trying to direct the offense, and there's nothing worse than when he points at his teammates and tries to tell them where to go. That's why I'm all over his ass, he makes the worst decisions.

You can disagree with my posts, thinking he makes good decisions, but fact is that you're wrong :mrgreen:

[MTSunsFan]

I can't believe the league gave the 6th Man of the Year award to such a crappy player... :grin:

[jkalldaway]

Sauce, I really do not recall Barbosa being out of control against SA last year. I recall him missing a ton of threes, aka his elbow was jacked but the last thing the Suns wanted to do was tell him to change the way he plays (hence them keeping the injury quiet). In regards to your pg post, LB was off the ball for the majority of last year and the move earned the praises of Doug Collins during many TNT games. D'Antoni even came out and said that he made a mistake trying to make LB a pg because he is such a good two-guard.

[SpecialSauce]

They praised that because LB came in with Steve still in the game, but he did still handle PG duties when Steve went out for a few minutes per half. That's what you call backup pg.

[SpecialSauce]

I can't believe the league gave the 6th Man of the Year award to such a crappy player... :grin:

MT, I'm not saying LB ain't a great player, I'm saying He's NOT fit for this team.

[Velo]

ZZZZzzz.... Snah! oh yeah, we should trade barbosa...to...the... ZZZZzzzz.... Ben Gordon!!

is it spring 08 yet?

[jed]

MT, I'm not saying LB ain't a great player, I'm saying He's NOT fit for this team.

I think he's a pretty damn good player that is somehow allowed to shoot more than a better one.

[Mori_Chu]

Saucy, Barbosa has flaws, but his contract is reasonable and he has won way more games for us than he has lost. He provides great offensive lift for our bench (especially when he's "on", and admittedly less so when his shot is off).

What would you have the Suns do with him? Trade him? There really isn't anybody else in the league that you could ship out Barbosa for and get even close to equal value back.

We are lucky to have the guy. Don't forget that he is still young. He keeps getting better and better every year, and while he has been off for the last several games, I believe this is injury-related.

[jkalldaway]

So do you label Grant Hill a back up point guard, how about Lamar Odom or Joe Johnson? Is Kobe a pg because he brings the ball up court? Please, it doesn't matter who brings the ball up the court, LB is not labeled as a back up pg, he is a scoring 2 off of the bench.

[jkalldaway]

Oh by the way, you should probably take a look at the tone of this lame thread and realize that your opinion is in the extreme minority.

[Nodack]

I think he's a pretty damn good player that is somehow allowed to shoot more than a better one.

An obvious reference to Amare. I have been spending a lot of time thinking about Amare the last couple of days and I have come to my completely unscientific conclusion that Amare isn't 100% healthy and in shape, but I don't think that is the reason behind his lack of touches. I also don't think it's a conspiracy to keep Amare from getting the ball by his team mates or coach either. I have come to believe that Amare is freaked out by fouls and has become tentative trying to avoid fouls. When is the last time you saw him with his back to the basket trying to post another player? that was his favorite move when he came into the league and now he is afraid to go to it IMO.

I just think we should let Amare work through it and hopefully by the end of the season he will have gotten a hold of it. Barbosa is in the game for one reason and that is to go a million miles an hour and score. That's what he does and he does it well. He does have more attempts than Amare, but in the end I think it will be Amare that has to be "the man" and just about everybody knows it. I just think we might have to show a little patience.

[sunsdotcom]

I have come to believe that Amare is freaked out by fouls and has become tentative trying to avoid fouls. When is the last time you saw him with his back to the basket trying to post another player? that was his favorite move when he came into the league and now he is afraid to go to it IMO.

post players usually don't get a lot of fouls called when they're posting up, unless it is egregious or flagrant. some contact is allowed between the player and defender.

i just think amare's not 100%, and he's not the dominant low post threat some people here think he is.

[sunsdotcom]

what barbosa shot only 4 times, for 3/4. amare is 4/13. fck trade amare! :)

[INFORMER]

Saucy, Barbosa has flaws, but his contract is reasonable and he has won way more games for us than he has lost.

Exactly.

[jed]

I think he's a pretty damn good player that is somehow allowed to shoot more than a better one.

An obvious reference to Amare. I have been spending a lot of time thinking about Amare the last couple of days and I have come to my completely unscientific conclusion that Amare isn't 100% healthy and in shape, but I don't think that is the reason behind his lack of touches. I also don't think it's a conspiracy to keep Amare from getting the ball by his team mates or coach either. I have come to believe that Amare is freaked out by fouls and has become tentative trying to avoid fouls. When is the last time you saw him with his back to the basket trying to post another player? that was his favorite move when he came into the league and now he is afraid to go to it IMO.

I just think we should let Amare work through it and hopefully by the end of the season he will have gotten a hold of it. Barbosa is in the game for one reason and that is to go a million miles an hour and score. That's what he does and he does it well. He does have more attempts than Amare, but in the end I think it will be Amare that has to be "the man" and just about everybody knows it. I just think we might have to show a little patience.

I'm not calling conspiracy. I think it's pretty clear that he's in D'Antoni's doghouse (maybe for good reason), that he's possibly in Nash's, and that he may be a part of the chemistry issues we all keep hearing about. We've already seen reports that he may be divorcing himself from support of the Suns' system. I just wonder if there's more to it.

[scosuns]

I just wish the coaching staff would control him a bit more. When he slashes in, its just better. It forces the double team and the defense to come in a bit, then leaving somebody open for a 3. Of course, I'd like a bit more slashing in and less shooting. Barbosa is so quick that I wish he would just use his speed more often. Even if he doesn't make a shot or a layup, if he can draw the foul, great. We don't see that that often. Phoenix ranks 27th in the league in free throw attempts per game. That needs to be fixed.

And I know that slows down the game, but not having a lot of attempts also hurts us.

[SpecialSauce]

Saucy, Barbosa has flaws, but his contract is reasonable and he has won way more games for us than he has lost. He provides great offensive lift for our bench (especially when he's "on", and admittedly less so when his shot is off).

What would you have the Suns do with him? Trade him? There really isn't anybody else in the league that you could ship out Barbosa for and get even close to equal value back.

We are lucky to have the guy. Don't forget that he is still young. He keeps getting better and better every year, and while he has been off for the last several games, I believe this is injury-related.

Again, this "won more games than he has lost" argument is so lame. Yeah, he wins games against Charlotte, Seattle, Memphis, Atlanta, aka the shit list of the league. I'm waiting for him to play well against SA, Dallas, Detroit, Boston, Utah, Houston, or any of the other elite teams in the league.

[SpecialSauce]

I just wish the coaching staff would control him a bit more. When he slashes in, its just better. It forces the double team and the defense to come in a bit, then leaving somebody open for a 3. Of course, I'd like a bit more slashing in and less shooting. Barbosa is so quick that I wish he would just use his speed more often. Even if he doesn't make a shot or a layup, if he can draw the foul, great. We don't see that that often. Phoenix ranks 27th in the league in free throw attempts per game. That needs to be fixed.

And I know that slows down the game, but not having a lot of attempts also hurts us.

Whatever he does, he needs to do it quickly. I hate when he does his mid-game ballhandling drills. If he's gonna slash, then go right away, if he's gonna dish, do it quickly. If he's gonna shoot, first make sure you're open, then shoot asap. There's nothing worse for this offense than when he dribbles like he's confused, then drives in and gets the offensive foul or wild shot.

[SpecialSauce]

Saucy, Barbosa has flaws, but his contract is reasonable and he has won way more games for us than he has lost. He provides great offensive lift for our bench (especially when he's "on", and admittedly less so when his shot is off).

What would you have the Suns do with him? Trade him? There really isn't anybody else in the league that you could ship out Barbosa for and get even close to equal value back.

We are lucky to have the guy. Don't forget that he is still young. He keeps getting better and better every year, and while he has been off for the last several games, I believe this is injury-related.

Honestly if it was possible I would use him as trade bait and package him with Boris for a serviceable 4/5 and a shooter. Maybe ship them both to Philly for Korver,Dalembert and a first round pick.

[SpecialSauce]

So do you label Grant Hill a back up point guard, how about Lamar Odom or Joe Johnson? Is Kobe a pg because he brings the ball up court? Please, it doesn't matter who brings the ball up the court, LB is not labeled as a back up pg, he is a scoring 2 off of the bench.

That's the definition of a backup pg!!!!!!!!! Whoever brings the ball up is the backup PG. LB always brings the ball up and sits there and acts like he's directing the offense. Then what is the criteria for a backup pg?!?!?

[SpecialSauce]

Oh by the way, you should probably take a look at the tone of this lame thread and realize that your opinion is in the extreme minority.

This is me respectfully asking you not to post further in this thread. It's obvious you have a problem with it, now it's as simple as NOT COMING BACK INTO the thread. Your contributions are not welcome if you're just gonna sit there and spam the thread.

Thanks,

Saucy

[Mori_Chu]

Again, this "won more games than he has lost" argument is so lame. Yeah, he wins games against Charlotte, Seattle, Memphis, Atlanta, aka the shit list of the league.

How about the way he sliced and diced the Lakers in the playoffs last year? He had plenty of good games against good teams. I think you are exercising selective memory.


Honestly if it was possible I would use him as trade bait and package him with Boris for a serviceable 4/5 and a shooter. Maybe ship them both to Philly for Korver,Dalembert and a first round pick.

Sure, if you want to completely abandon any hope of winning a title this year.

[SpecialSauce]

Again, this "won more games than he has lost" argument is so lame. Yeah, he wins games against Charlotte, Seattle, Memphis, Atlanta, aka the shit list of the league.

How about the way he sliced and diced the Lakers in the playoffs last year? He had plenty of good games against good teams. I think you are exercising selective memory.


Honestly if it was possible I would use him as trade bait and package him with Boris for a serviceable 4/5 and a shooter. Maybe ship them both to Philly for Korver,Dalembert and a first round pick.

Sure, if you want to completely abandon any hope of winning a title this year.

The Lakers last year are definitely not what I call a good team. I'll give him credit in that they are better than the shit list, but definitely not one of the elite teams. Hell, we easily could've beat the Lakers without him.

And that is your opinion on if you want to abandon it. I think Boris and LB are hurting us more than they are helping us, and a shooter like Korver would flourish, and we could definitely use a big like Dalembert.

[Nodack]

Hell, we easily could've beat the Lakers without him.

And your facts to back that up are.....? I think I could have beat SA by myself and it would have been so easy. I said it and that's all the proof I need.


a shooter like Korver would flourish, and we could definitely use a big like Dalembert.

Or a shooter like Michael Jordon and a big like a young Shaq. I bet they could help too. We'll just package up a few guys we don't like and it will magically happen.

[SwingMan]

Hell, we easily could've beat the Lakers without him.

And your facts to back that up are.....? I think I could have beat SA by myself and it would have been so easy. I said it and that's all the proof I need.


a shooter like Korver would flourish, and we could definitely use a big like Dalembert.

Or a shooter like Michael Jordon and a big like a young Shaq. I bet they could help too. We'll just package up a few guys we don't like and it will magically happen.

Out of the mouths of babes.

:cool:

The board still has an ounce of sanity after all.....

[jed]

I personally think it's as simple as this: Barbosa works in our system -- well. His talents fit both the team his role on it. It's just a matter of how he's used. In other words, he shouldn't have a license to shoot all day.

[SpecialSauce]

Hell, we easily could've beat the Lakers without him.

And your facts to back that up are.....? I think I could have beat SA by myself and it would have been so easy. I said it and that's all the proof I need.


a shooter like Korver would flourish, and we could definitely use a big like Dalembert.

Or a shooter like Michael Jordon and a big like a young Shaq. I bet they could help too. We'll just package up a few guys we don't like and it will magically happen.

I'm sorry I didn't realize opinions weren't allowed on message boards. And what is up with your second quote? It serves no purpose, proves nothing, and you're just being an ass. So you don't think Korver would fit well on this team?

[SpecialSauce]

I personally think it's as simple as this: Barbosa works in our system -- well. His talents fit both the team his role on it. It's just a matter of how he's used. In other words, he shouldn't have a license to shoot all day.

I would agree if coach would. But coach is preaching the opposite, which makes me want to beat coach upside the head

[jed]

I personally think it's as simple as this: Barbosa works in our system -- well. His talents fit both the team his role on it. It's just a matter of how he's used. In other words, he shouldn't have a license to shoot all day.

I would agree if coach would. But coach is preaching the opposite, which makes me want to beat coach upside the head

Agreed -- but I can't put the coaching on Barbs' head. He's only doing what he's being told to do -- and being praised in the press by his superiors often.

[Nodack]

I'm sorry I didn't realize opinions weren't allowed on message boards. And what is up with your second quote? It serves no purpose, proves nothing, and you're just being an ass. So you don't think Korver would fit well on this team?


Of course opinions are allowed on this board.

The purpose of my second quote was to imply that there are all kinds of players that might fit well with the Suns and we could go on and on listing all kinds of possible trade scenarios all day and night if we like and like we have, but the bottom line is they have probably as much chance of happening as does my Jordon and Shaq proposal. Yes, it serves no purpose and yes I was being an ass. I have nothing against Korver and maybe he would be a good fit and maybe not.

As for Barbs shooting too much. Sometimes I think he dominates the ball too much and other times I'm glad that somebody in the second unit isn't afraid to shoot the ball. I was watching the last game and the second unit kind of would just pass the ball around the three point line running out the clock and a lot of times Barbosa is the only guy to make something happen. Somebody has to penetrate and draw a couple of defenders for somebody to be open. With Barbosa most of the time he will draw at least a couple of defenders, but most of the time he will shoot it instead of pass and that's what he does best to the ire of many. He has shown he can and will pass the ball after he has penetrated the defense, but he isn't Nash and it is fewer and further in between.

Hill was supposed to be the guy that can run the point when Nash sits along with Diaw and Barbosa, but that hasn't really happened yet and as somebody else posted before, Hill was sitting when Nash was out too making that impossible.

[JustWinBaby]

Barbosa usage makes the most sense in the starting lineup. He has generally flourished everytime he has started. Coach D wants to get off to a fast start, replace Bell with LB. This is not the time we need multiple stops we are tring to dictate pace of play. Bell needs to accept it and come off the bench.

Bell makes the most sense in the final minutes of a close game, when we need stops, he is the man.

Another benefit is that maybe Boris might actually become offensive minded when not paired with LB coming off the bench. Raja generally keeps the ball moving and his shot selection is very good. Include Hill in that group and we should be just fine.

Coach D the Barbosa Boris duo off the bench scenario ain't working make a change for the good of the team.

[Superbone]

This thread is like a cockroach. I wish it would just shrivel up and die. Just my opinion, Saucy, nothing personal.

But then people keep posting in it, keeping it alive...

D'oh!

[Nodack]

My bad and you are right Superbone, this thread is dumb.

[SpecialSauce]

No offense taken SB, I guess some people are just LB homers.

[misteradiant]

and you thought you were gonna get the last word, stids. the d and s are redundant. who ever heard of a dressing sauce? anyway, it works for you.

i think we should change this thread into an oldie but a goodie...

trade marion!

[LazarusLong]

Langhi Lives!!

[Superbone]

No offense taken SB, I guess some people are just LB homers.

How can you hate on that sweet face?! :lol:

[SpecialSauce]

No offense taken SB, I guess some people are just LB homers.

How can you hate on that sweet face?! :lol:

Exactly why so many people love him! I swear if he looked like Big Jake he wouldn't be NEARLY as popular hahahha

[SpecialSauce]

and you thought you were gonna get the last word, stids. the d and s are redundant. who ever heard of a dressing sauce? anyway, it works for you.

i think we should change this thread into an oldie but a goodie...

trade marion!

oh shut it you jackoffasauras rex! If you're gonna call me stids, I'm callin you Jackoffasauras rex.

[Velo]

i think "stids" has more of a ring to it than "jackoffasauras rex"... i know its easier to type at least.

marion for pierce st8 up?

marion for t-mac?

sign kobe

[Phoenix219]

How bout we just don't trade him at all...



I hope this has all been sarcasm...

[Velo]

total sarcasm. none of the players i mentioned are on the block. the sarcasm would probably have been more obvious if i added

marion for labron?

:-D

[misteradiant]

and you thought you were gonna get the last word, stids. the d and s are redundant. who ever heard of a dressing sauce? anyway, it works for you.

i think we should change this thread into an oldie but a goodie...

trade marion!

oh shut it you jackoffasauras rex! If you're gonna call me stids, I'm callin you Jackoffasauras rex.

cool! a pornographic dinosaur! i bet i've got a HUGE penis! GRR!

:lol:

[SpecialSauce]

lmao jackoffasauras rex you crack me up ha ha ha ha

[misteradiant]

lmao jackoffasauras rex you crack me up ha ha ha ha

as i posted yesterday, i try to be funny, stids.

:cool:

[cap]

I don’t think a T Rex can jack off with those short arms. Can’t reach the goodies.

[Nodack]

The anti sun went 7-10 from the 3pt. line tonight.

[Mori_Chu]

I don’t think a T Rex can jack off with those short arms. Can’t reach the goodies.

Their arms are short, but they have extremely flexible neck and back cartilage. Autofellatio is the name of their game...

[misteradiant]

dang. poor stids names me something that is impossible. thems some pretty short arms a tyrannasaurus had..... and i kinda liked the idea of being a huge moster with a giant, streaming penis of light and magic, too. oh well. back to plain ol' misteradiant.

:lol: