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SwingMan
12-10-2007, 04:21 AM
Suns' Skinner in rotation more (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/1209suns1210.html)

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The Suns' Brian Skinner ranks in the NBA's top 20 with 14.8 rebounds (17th) and 4.5 blocks (fifth) per 48 minutes.

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 9, 2007 08:10 PM

INDIANAPOLIS - With a shaved head, two-tone goatee and muscles like a boxer's on his 6-foot-9 frame, the Suns' Brian Skinner hardly plays like a big man who has had his toughness questioned.

After nine NBA seasons, it would not seem that the Suns' newfound enforcer ever would have struggled with his place on the court.

But baseball was Skinner's first love in his football-crazy hometown of Temple, Texas. He tried playing football, but nobody on the freshman team could throw as far as the spindly wide receiver could run.
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He was no brute. He was a 6-footer put on the third string of a "B" freshman basketball team after playing point guard in junior high.

"I could dribble the ball," Skinner said. "I just got away from it."

Growing 9 inches during high school will do that. His outfielder days ended when Harry Miller, his high school basketball coach and later his coach at Baylor, implored Skinner to commit to realizing his basketball potential, figuring he would grow into his huge hands and feet.

Miller met one day with Skinner's mother, Gladys, and put a pair of scissors on his desk.

"These are to cut the umbilical cord," he told her, or the "apron strings," as she recalls it.

"I didn't really know that much of what I was doing then," Skinner said. "At that time, I was easily influenced."

Gladys and Skinner's father, James, did not know what they had, especially as they watched his older sister, Pam, "beat him up" regularly on the court.

Skinner was uncoordinated, battling knee pain caused by Osgood-Schlatter disease, a condition caused by his growth spurt. He had to learn to be aggressive, difficult for a kid who preferred fishing over other activities.

"I thought Brian would do well to get a scholarship at Temple College," Gladys said, referring to the local junior college. "Harry said, 'I don't think you realize what you have.' "

Skinner hears that now and says, "I still haven't. It's my 10th year in the NBA, and I still look in astonishment."

Miller pushed Skinner, who developed into a mix of court power and off-court respect.

"He never had aspirations of NBA," James said. "It's just something he kept doing."

James, a urology nurse, and Gladys, a cardiology dietician, told their son to give 100 percent to whatever he chose. Work ethic became a staple of Skinner's game when he went to Baylor, and it remained in the NBA, where he has played for eight teams in 10 years.

The Suns signed Skinner to a one-year, $1.1 million contract to replace Kurt Thomas, who would have cost $14 million more (with salary and luxury tax) had he not been traded to Seattle in the off-season.

Skinner's blend of lean muscle and fleet feet fits the Suns' style, an aspect that coach Mike D'Antoni warmed to November. Skinner ranks in the NBA's top 20 with 14.8 rebounds (17th) and 4.5 blocks (fifth) per 48 minutes.

"We're better defensively with him, and he's athletic enough so we can keep running," D'Antoni said. "It's the best of both worlds."

Skinner has shown more than defensive intelligence and timing. Although he is a 56 percent career free-throw shooter, Skinner has been a decent midrange threat and grasps the offense by taking open shots, making quick passes and rolling hard off screens.

"I'm really getting more comfortable with him," Steve Nash said. "He's making an impact offensively. We count on him to make an impact defensively, but he's not afraid to make a play on offense."

Monday's game

Heat at Suns

When: 7 p.m.
Where: US Airways Center.
TV/radio: FSNAZ/KTAR-AM (620).

Miami update: The Heat (5-15) broke a five-game losing streak Sunday by beating the Clippers 100-94 with 35 points from Dwyane Wade, who scored 33 on Friday at Golden State. Tonight, Miami closes a Western Conference trip with its sixth game in nine days. Jason Williams sat out Sunday because of an ankle sprain and likely will be out tonight. Shaquille O'Neal, after complaining about a lack of shots, was 4 of 8 Sunday and sat the final 1:07.

sunsdotcom
12-10-2007, 04:38 AM
against shaq, he'll get more time.

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i find this news article funny/pathetic, especially now that dallas is underachieving this season.

http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/350896.html

Phoenix219
12-10-2007, 08:40 AM
Trailing by 10 after Ricky Davis' three-point play with 6½ minutes to play, the Clippers ran off 10 straight points to tie it at 90-all with 3:29 left. Tim Thomas capped the rally with a pair of three-pointers 31 seconds apart, but the Clippers struggled after that as Maggette, Cuttino Mobley and Kaman all missed layups in the final 1½ minutes.

Close game and TT hits a coupe big 3s? I'll take it... I wish we could have signed him, even to the deal LA signed him to. No Banks and a mill of Diaw's deal would have covered it. He was part of the heart of that '06 playoff teams run.

desertcoast
12-10-2007, 11:43 AM
Close game and TT hits a coupe big 3s? I'll take it... I wish we could have signed him, even to the deal LA signed him to. No Banks and a mill of Diaw's deal would have covered it. He was part of the heart of that '06 playoff teams run.

imagine the size we would be fielding with TT, Skinner, Stat and Diaw on this squad. We'd be the tallest version of small-ball in the league.

Ah well...it was not to be...Grant Hill is pretty damn good consolation prize :wink:

jed
12-10-2007, 12:06 PM
Skinner definately deserves time on the floor. He's succeeded in providing a KT-like presence and yet his athleticism probably makes him a better fit.

Still don't like the two picks we sent out with KT. But I like how we replaced him.

ShelC
12-10-2007, 10:47 PM
What were those picks again?

jed
12-11-2007, 11:50 AM
Two first-rounders, I thought. I think both were ours.

Ring_Wanted
12-11-2007, 02:55 PM
The 2010 one has no protection..

misteradiant
12-11-2007, 05:52 PM
imagine the size we would be fielding with TT, Skinner, Stat and Diaw on this squad. We'd be the tallest version of small-ball in the league.

except for the part where diaw lays down and opens his legs like he's a teenage girl a week after her first period.

AlanS
12-11-2007, 08:01 PM
FYI,

These are Alando Tucker's stats in the D-League, for his 3 games with the Albuquerque Thunderbirds:

• 12/1: 37 mins, 25 pts, 11/25 FG, 1/3 3PT, 2/3 FT, 12 reba (6 off), 2 asts, 1 steal, 1 TO

• 12/7: 35 mins, 17 pts, 8/15 FG, 1/2 3PT, 0/0 FT, 4 reb (1 off), 1 asts, 2 st, 1 TO

• 12/8: 43 mins, 27 pts, 11/20 FG, 0/3 3PT, 5/7 FT, 6 reb (1 off), 1 asts, 2 st, 1 TO

Overall:
23 ppg
50% FG
16.7% 3PT
7.3 reb
1.3 asts
1 steal

All 3 games were Thunderbird losses. I'm not sure if he plays SG or SF or both.

SpecialSauce
12-11-2007, 09:56 PM
He won't be of any use to the Suns unless he starts hitting the 3 ball - unless his name is Shawn Marion

JediSkywalker
12-11-2007, 10:35 PM
He won't be of any use to the Suns unless he starts hitting the 3 ball - unless his name is Shawn Marion


He won't be any use unless coach D allows him to play when it matters (not just garbage time)

JediSkywalker
12-11-2007, 10:39 PM
Not related to this thread, but it's NBA news-

Portland beat Utah, in SLC. So the Jazz will be coming off an unexpected loss, just like the Suns.

GSW is leading SAS by 10, with 6 minutes remaining. Granted, that is eternity and the Spurs could make up 10 points, but they have trailed most of the game. GSW is for real. The Suns better watch out.

I am thinking that against Utah the Suns will need to go big, with Amare and Skinner playing at the same time. Somehow I feel Diaw may make a dent tomorrow.

EDITED to update: It's final. GSW beat the Spurs.

SpecialSauce
12-11-2007, 11:29 PM
I just have a feeling that there will be a change to the starting lineup tomorrow. I'm not sure what it will be, but I just think D'Antoni's gonna try and mix it up.

Mori_Chu
12-12-2007, 03:04 AM
Despite the fact that the Spurs lost, look at what a game Matt Bonner had. 25 points and 17 rebounds! This is for their, what, 10th or 11th man?

This is why we are never going to beat the Spurs. They completely and dramatically outcoach us year after year. Even the last guy on the end of the bench knows that he HAS A ROLE, and when he comes in any given game, if he is on fire, the coach is going to find a way to feed the hot hand. So any given night, you have 10-11 guys any of whom could get hot and help lead you to victory. It's just simple math.

Look at this freaking box score. THIS is how you distribute minutes.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=271211009

ShelC
12-12-2007, 08:41 AM
That why Pop has his titles. The spurs do a great job at identifying guys that fit their system and Pop does a great job of bringing those guys along and integrating them into the system. Elson, Oberto, Bonner didnt do much their 1st years with the spurs but in their 2nd season started to break out to become consistent contributers. This years guy could be Ime Udoka, a solid player in Portland who can shoot the 3 and defend. Not doing much this year but could be a key guy next year should Fins or Brent Barry step aside.

But the spurs also have a much more traditional style and stick to the basketball fundamentals on both ends. Its probably easier to find guys and integrate them into that kind of play than ours.

jed
12-12-2007, 09:11 AM
I'm not sure personnel is the platform for criticizing D'Antoni. Yes, his rotations can be a little wonky. Yes, he uses the beginning of the season to experiment. But he and the Suns have generally done a pretty good job of finding the guys that fir our system. Marcus Banks is the only glaring argument to the contrary.

Mori_Chu
12-12-2007, 10:33 AM
But he and the Suns have generally done a pretty good job of finding the guys that fir our system.

Then how is it that we are one of the oldest teams in the league, don't have nearly enough reliable jumpshooters, and don't seem to be able to muster the athleticism to run and gun consistently any more? Why do we have Piatkowski and Marks? Why do we draft rooks who don't play?

If anything, the Warriors are the ones who have figured out how to find guys who fit the small ball system (and jettison those who don't).

jed
12-12-2007, 10:47 AM
C'mon, Mori -- you know better on most of those questions.

Age -- Because we're a championship-caliber team and, like it or not, making such a run takes vets. Still, the ones we have tend to run the floor pretty well, so I'm not sure your insinuation flies. We're hardly broken down and slow.

Jumpshooters -- Frankly, we've done pretty well with it in the past with the same personnel. Not sure what the cure for our present woes is, but I'd bet there's more than one.

INFORMER
12-12-2007, 10:50 AM
This is why we are never going to beat the Spurs.

I don't think it will happen this year, but to say never is a bit much. With that said, Matt Bonner putting up those numbers is just ridiculous.

SwingMan
12-12-2007, 10:51 AM
I don't think it will happen this year, but to say never is a bit much. With that said, Matt Bonner putting up those numbers is just ridiculous.

Luc Longley had a 21 point 10 rebound game for us during '99-'00.....

INFORMER
12-12-2007, 10:55 AM
C'mon, Mori -- you know better on most of those questions.

Age -- Because we're a championship-caliber team and, like it or not, making such a run takes vets. Still, the ones we have tend to run the floor pretty well, so I'm not sure your insinuation flies. We're hardly broken down and slow.

Jumpshooters -- Frankly, we've done pretty well with it in the past with the same personnel. Not sure what the cure for our present woes is, but I'd bet there's more than one.

It is really immaterial what the Suns have done in the past in regards to having jumpshooters. This season, as well as last season, the Suns have started with a roster lacking a sufficient amount of shooters in order to run DA's system on a championship level.

INFORMER
12-12-2007, 10:56 AM
Luc Longley had a 21 point 10 rebound game for us during '99-'00.....


And?

SwingMan
12-12-2007, 10:57 AM
My point exactly. ;)

INFORMER
12-12-2007, 11:00 AM
Look, I was just making a comment about Bonner's performance. There was nothing more to it.

BTW: Bonner is no Luc Longley.

SwingMan
12-12-2007, 11:44 AM
Exactly - There's nothing more to Bonner's performance than just one game.

There were some here touting Jackie Butler for the same reason - where the hell is he now?

INFORMER
12-12-2007, 12:05 PM
I think the point Shel and/or Mori was making is Pop has the ability to get the most out of his players, whomever they are. And I don't necessarily disagree with that.

But one-hit wonder or not, Bonner is a contributor for them, albeit a minor one.

Superbone
12-12-2007, 02:55 PM
I think the point Shel and/or Mori was making is Pop has the ability to get the most out of his players, whomever they are. And I don't necessarily disagree with that.

But one-hit wonder or not, Bonner is a contributor for them, albeit a minor one.

The point you all are missing is that the Spurs lost the game.

Mori_Chu
12-12-2007, 03:07 PM
The point about Bonner's monster game is that, on that one random night where he is going to go off like that, Pop and the Spurs are going to discover that and ride it as far as it will take them. On our team, that night when Banks would have gone off, or when DJ would have had 9 assists, we'll never know because they won't touch the floor.

I also agree with the comment that we've started the season without enough shooters to go all the way in this system. And this is with everybody healthy. Watch and see how we fare when the inevitable injury bug claims one or more of our rotation guys for a while...

desertcoast
12-12-2007, 04:48 PM
I agree that the role Q, House, and JJax filled has not been addressed, but strangely enough...whoever *that* guy is on this team seems to casper on us in the post season.
And not in a small way...total Chris-Angel-Mindfreak-dissappearing-Act type of casper.

We have yet to see what a post season D'Antoni Era Suns team can do with all its offensive firepower clicking...

INFORMER
12-12-2007, 05:39 PM
I agree that the role Q, House, and JJax filled has not been addressed, but strangely enough...whoever *that* guy is on this team seems to casper on us in the post season.

I don't recall JJax caspering. In fact, I remember him doing very well in place of JJ in the 2005 playoffs.