Game Day: Suns @ Wizards

[SwingMan]

Arenas is out, so I guess a win here doesn't count either, right? :-?

Dis∙cuss

[sunsdotcom]

like you say, let's annihilate the wizards.

i get to see the massacre live too, later today.

[AlanS]

I will be at the game, and am looking forward to it.

Wiz guys to watch out for:
• Caron Butler: This in an All-Star talent. In addition to an excellent mid-range game, he has added an excellent 3PT shot. He's at 23 ppg, 53% FG, 51% 3PTFG. I don't think the Suns have anybody who can stop him.

• Antawn Jamison: Is one of a handful of guys averaging 20 pts/10 rebs. Like Shawn, he is a 2 playing the 3, although Antawn is bigger than Shawn. Jamison can score inside, and can also hit the 3.

• Brendan Haywood: Is having his best season as a pro. He's averaging 8 rebs in just 27 minutes per game. His is a very good offensive rebounder, and there will be times during the game when that will frustrate the Suns.

• Nick Young: The rookie from USC has shown flashes recently. Suns must be careful not to go to sleep on this guy. His is prone to rookie mistakes.

On paper, this is a Suns' win. But the Wiz have started playing well recently, seeming to have adjusted to life without Gilbert. There is a REAL chance for an upset, IF one Wizards player can have a big game in addition to Butler and Jamison.

[ShelC]

Solid post AlanS....was going to mention the same players. Haywood, Butler and Jamison have stepped up their play. Butler seems to hurt us cuz hes too big in the post for Marion and too quick for Boris or Amare to guard. Maybe Hill will have better success. We also need to watch antonio daniels, whos a bigger versatile guard. And Andray Blatche is a 6-11 matchup nightmare. Can shoot the 3, has legit (and i mean legit) handles an has gotten better inside on the boards. And we cant sleep on Young, as AlanS said. Hes a rook, but has no conscience when it comes to shooting. Hes a smooth player, nice size and athleticsm.

[Mori_Chu]

This should be a fun game to watch. I bet we score 120 at least.

We are playing well lately, so I say the Suns get the win and go home with a sweep on their Eastern roadtrip. Just hope Coach is able to keep the minutes reasonable. Go team!

[AmareIsGod]

Agreed Mori. I'm a pretty happy and excited fan right now. Things have looked pretty damn good lately. Let's hope the trend continues tonite. Suns by 12 with a score between 118-126 points.

[darrkin]

Agreed Mori. I'm a pretty happy and excited fan right now. Things have looked pretty damn good lately. Let's hope the trend continues tonite. Suns by 12 with a score between 118-126 points.


WORD!! ITS ALL GOOD NOW LETS KEEP GETTING BETTER!! Maybe this can finally be our year and we can get some good breaks

[Dustbuster]

I feel that this should be a solid win for the Suns, although as others have pointed it out, it certainly will not be a cakewalk. It would be really, really nice to see Boris put together a few good games.

[Superbone]

Suns put a spell on the Wizards tonight.

HA HA HA!

Ha ha.

ha.

Anyhoo..., Go Suns!!!

[jed]

I'm the type that wants to beat opposing teams at their best -- when everyone is on the floor. Which pretty much makes me the antithesis of a Mavs fan.

That aside, games like these are ones where we should be fine-tuning. It seems that we've been doing so, but my hope is that we don't rest on our laurels.

[misteradiant]

It would be really, really nice to see Boris put together a few good games.

don't bet on it. his m.o. for over a year has been one decent game followed by a long series of stinkers. he did that all year last year. i think he's the 8th best man on our team, with skinner being better/more valuable.

additionally, all the dirty scottsdale bullshit has got me a bit tweaked on him. he's out looking flabby and playing with drunken party broads instead of learning how to put it in the hole that we call a basketball hoop.

wrong holes boris, you selfish jerk.

and don't get me going on his rebounding effort. as i posted last year, the only rebounds he can get are the kind you get in bars. he hasn't done a thing since to change my opinion.

booo! boris, booo! overpaid bastard. booo!

there. i feel better.

[AmareIsGod]

Agreed mister. It really pisses me off seeing him on DirtyScottsdale's website all the time. It's always a picture taken at a completely different time too. Yet there he is, shirtless, out of shape with a beer/drink and some skanky ass Scottsdale chicks with fake ID's. He needs to get his shit together. You don't see any of the other Suns consistently in stupid ass situations like that. Nash, at one time in his days with Dirk, took some funny pictures at an event. But they weren't grabbing girls breasts and walking around shirtless. He just rubs me the wrong way. Stop being an out of shape womanizer, dump the estrogen injections and become a basketball player again consistently.

[ShelC]

So Boris is the only one messing around with girls, going to bars and clubs and drinking now? No one else in the NBA, or on the suns for that matter, does those things? :roll:

And just becuase hes not ripped like amare means hes out of shape? :roll:

Boris' is only guilty of bad taste.

[SpecialSauce]

I'm the type that wants to beat opposing teams at their best -- when everyone is on the floor. Which pretty much makes me the antithesis of a Mavs fan.

That aside, games like these are ones where we should be fine-tuning. It seems that we've been doing so, but my hope is that we don't rest on our laurels.

Agreed. For me, when playoffs roll around, I don't want a TD-less Spurs, or a Dirk-less Mavs. I wanna beat them all at full strength. What's the fun in knowing you danced your way to a championship (ala the Spurs last year)?

For now though, I think it's just what the Suns could have asked for; terrible teams while they try and pull their shit together, so that they are still winning games even while they are a work in progress

[SpecialSauce]

Oh yeah, so Boris is out of shape because his body isn't rock solid? :roll: Give me a break. Not everybody in the NBA is Amare/DHoward. And just because you aren't toned doesn't mean you don't have the strength. I have seen no signs of Boris not being in shape on the court, and him going out and having some fun is not going to change how aggressive he is on the court.

You guys look for ANYTHING to bitch about. Bunch of preteen girls here

[misteradiant]

so that must mean you want him on your fantasy team, right shelc?

i don't see other players on dirty scottsdale. i don't see other players making so much money and providing so little. i don't see players two feet from the hoop passing up a jam or layup to toss the ball to the three-point line. i don't see other players getting quotes where they come off as disinterested or worse. i don't see other players being defended by coach because they are playing so poorly.

we are just putting 1 and 1 together. show me pix of other suns players on dirty scottsdale and i could care less. they are performing. he's partying and sucking come game time. seems like a logical correlation to a lot of us.

as for not being "ripped," he deserves to get ripped by us for the impression he is giving of being more conerned with partying and bitches than the game he is payed 9 million this year to play.

boris sucks and he's partying all the time. show me another player who is doing that.

thought so.

[SpecialSauce]

First of all, you don't know when those pictures are being taken. How do you know they weren't taken during the summer? (which if he doesn't have his shirt on, they probably were)

Secondly, again.....Boris is not "sucking (as you guys say)" because of lack of hustle. I see plenty of hustle on the defensive end, setting screens on offense, moving around. You guys say he sucks because he's too passive. That has nothing to do with what he does at night, and you totally ignored that point because there is no debating it.

You guys bleed through your panties over Boris because he's too passive, but LB is everybody's boytoy because he's more lovable, despite the fact that his overagressiveness and blackholeness totally bogs down our 2nd unit and on nights where he isn't on fire, bites us in the ass.

Nobody gets on Shawn for totally sucking on O other than garbage points. Sure there are little ramblings, but not like little school girls. Nobody cares about the fact that Raja hasn't done ANYTHING on EITHER end of the floor until the last few games. Play the injury card with him, but you better play the injury card with Boris too.

It's all about Boris Boris Boris.

[ShelC]

I have him on my fantasy team. Im not happy with his production, but i dont attribute it to him going out and drinking and meeting girls. His game is affected by Amares presence in the lineup and on the court. We still havent figured out how to get his game going along with Amares. As for his passing out of the lane, hes always done that. Its his natural instinct, whereas Amares natural instinct is to go up and get the dunk or get fouled. Boris is just a laid-back guy who needs to be prodded and told to be aggressive. I really dont believe its cuz he doesnt care. Otherwise, he wouldnt respond to the coaches or his teammates when they tell him to be more assertive.

Just because other players arent caught on camera doing certain things in their personal lives doesnt mean theyre not doing it. Boris just happens to be stupid enough to have his picture taken. I can run off a list of players my friends hang out with or see in the clubs in NYC the night before a game or right after the game. Doesnt mean anything. Theyre millionaires, not mormons.

And do we even know when those pictures were taken?

[AmareIsGod]

Apparently all the players are doing it mister. According to Shel and special Sauce, all the players do it. That's why it's only Boris that I see on DirtyScottsdale, a HORRIBLE site to be affiliated with. And to be on there numerous times doing the same stupid shit and being ripped to pieces by everyone who looks at the pictures and makes comments really boads well for Boris and the Suns. I'm glad he's repping the Suns well. Someone show me some pictures of Amare, Matrix, Banks, Piatkowski, Barbosa, etc., doing the same? Thought so. It's one thing to do this a little more privately. To pose like an idiot for pictures groping potential minors is another.

[AmareIsGod]

Sauce, why don't you look at his numbers for the season and the majority of the box scores. Don't give me that shit about him being passive is no indication of his production. The guy isn't boarding, assisting, blocking shots, stealing the ball or scoring well whatsoever. His FT% has dipped as well. Please don't try sugarcoating and defending Mr. Diaw. That's a laugher.

[AmareIsGod]

I have him on my fantasy team. Im not happy with his production, but i dont attribute it to him going out and drinking and meeting girls. His game is affected by Amares presence in the lineup and on the court. We still havent figured out how to get his game going along with Amares. As for his passing out of the lane, hes always done that. Its his natural instinct, whereas Amares natural instinct is to go up and get the dunk or get fouled. Boris is just a laid-back guy who needs to be prodded and told to be aggressive. I really dont believe its cuz he doesnt care. Otherwise, he wouldnt respond to the coaches or his teammates when they tell him to be more assertive.

Just because other players arent caught on camera doing certain things in their personal lives doesnt mean theyre not doing it. Boris just happens to be stupid enough to have his picture taken. I can run off a list of players my friends hang out with or see in the clubs in NYC the night before a game or right after the game. Doesnt mean anything. Theyre millionaires, not mormons.

And do we even know when those pictures were taken?


Wow. My fault. He's playing like he doesn't give a shit and giving 50% effort because of Amare. He isn't doing ANYTHING well and it's all Amare's fault. Having Amare in with him causes him to jog around like a girl and not give a fuck. Thanks for clarifying Shel.

[ShelC]

So Boris is the only guy in the entire NBA whos out drinking and messing around with girls AIG? No other players do it because there arent any pictures of it? Thats your argument?

Again, the only thing Boris is guilty of is bad tase.

[ShelC]

U guys are ridiculous.

[AmareIsGod]

Wow Shel. It really is hard to get through to you. THE PROBLEM WITH WHAT BORIS IS DOING is that he's posing for pictures doing it. That he's been posted on DirtyScottsdale on SEVERAL DIFFERENT OCCASIONS doing the same thing. The problem is the irresponsible nature in which he's going about it. Again, other players are doing it. The PROBLEM is that he's not out having some drinks and partying. He's doing it without a shirt with college girls in front of cameras posing. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE.

It's absolutely amazing how people will ride Amare left and right for any flaw they can find. When he starts playing amazing, they just shut up. Then when he does something that's deemed a flaw on the court, he gets trashed over and over on the boards again. When he progresses, silence. Boris has a huge production plunge last season and carries it into this season, plays with no hussle or desire, and gets a slap on the wrist by the likes of Shel and Sauce. FUCKING AMAZING.

[ShelC]

Youre totally contradicting yourself now and im not going to argue anymore. Believe what you want.

[misteradiant]

Having Amare in with him causes him to jog around like a girl and not give a fuck. Thanks for clarifying Shel.

no shit. everybody else seems to be able to play with amare, including skinner and marion. but boris is different! boris deserves a break!

fuck boris. bench his sorry ass.

[JackArse]

wow.. and the thread WAS going so well.

[misteradiant]

So Boris is the only guy in the entire NBA whos out drinking and messing around with girls AIG? No other players do it because there arent any pictures of it? Thats your argument?

who cares about other players. we care about the suns. additionally, nobody would care if boris would take off the makeup and skirt and stop prancing around like his sphincter is twitching from lack of lube. if he was kicking ass and averaging say 15, 6 and 6 like 05-06, we'd all be laughing at the DS pix and think he was a player. it would just be funny and we'd love him because he's playing well.

but he isn't and it looks bad. very bad.

[AmareIsGod]

I edited this. I'm not even going to debate it anymore. Let the Boris lovers have this argument. Go Diaw. Keep doing what you're doing.

[SpecialSauce]

First of all, he neither gets the ball enough nor plays enough to get 15 6 and 6. Secondly, when he's on the court with Marion and Amare....they are better rebounders than him and will continue to be so they will get the majority of boards.

You guys are watching a different game than I am if you don't see Boris hustling. He's been solid on D all season long, and it must be true if even WW preaches it. He does the little things that nobody notices, setting screens, the pass that SETS UP the assist. He's one of the smartest players on the team. And who gives a hell if he doesn't represent the Suns well? If you are actually sitting there pissed off that your team isn't being represented well, then you take the game too seriously as a couch potato coach. You aren't Sarver, you're just a fan. You can worry about the team's image when you own the team. All you should care about is winning, and if Boris was more involved in the 2nd unit instead of LB, his stats would be way higher as well.

As far as him being the only one going out, I can say with 100% certainty he isn't. My friend's sister goes out to Sky Bar and Devil's Martini every weekend and has seen Amare there on many occassions, making inappropriate gestures to girls and just walkin around like he's hot shit. Players are going to be players, and who cares? You aren't their parents, you aren't the owner, you're not even a teammate, you're a fucking fan. So sit down, and enjoy the victories, what they do in between is none of your damn business.

[SpecialSauce]

"Don't worry mister. We're on our own here. I really don't understand how people can defend Boris until they are blue in the face. It's probably the lack of tattoos and passion. It's easier to relate with a pussy than a player with a little flair on the court, some tat's and fire. Those guys are scary outcasts. Some will side with the passive aggressive bitch, Boris.

Also, be careful. You could contradict yourself and then it wouldn't be worth debating. I somehow contradicted myself. I'd like to be shown how. But whatever "

Oh yeah, AIG. That's it, the tattoos and passion. You know, cause I hate Amare and Skinner and I bash them all the time. Get a fucking clue man.

[Superbone]

Wow. I came in here and saw that the game day thread was already 3 pages. I thought maybe it was an early start or something. Nope, just another dang pissing contest.

[Coop]

Wow. I came in here and saw that the game day thread was already 3 pages. I thought maybe it was an early start or something. Nope, just another dang pissing contest.


Well if its a contest then there will be a winner right?

[Wormwood]

Boris....

People sure are getting worked up about him, so I'll try a run down of my thoughts:

1. Boris and Amare definitely like the same spots on offense, reducing him to a jump shooter, which he's only OK at.

2. His appearance on dirtyscottsdale isn't damning.... there's photos of Nash and Dirk absolutely fitshaced. However, too many pictures, too scuzzy a source, definitely bad judgement. We know these guys aren't saints, but most of them are smart enough not to have their sins photographed and posted on the net. Call it in error in judgement, but the link between the pics and his play on the court is speculative at best.

3. Boris definitely isn't earning his 9 million per year. He's better than Banks, but his contract is probably just as unmovable.

4. Statistically, there's little difference between Boris and Skinner. Boris is at -11.2 per 48, and Skinner is at -11.5. Skinner's a bit of a bargain at 1.2 million, but that makes Boris guilty of sever under achivement.

5. Boris definitely loses boards to Amare. Amare parks underneath the basket, Diaw camps out around the FT line on offense. In 2005-2006 he averaged 7.4 rpg after KT went down, and 6.5 before.

6. Diaw has actually regressed since last season. His +/- and PER are both down.

What would be my recommendation? Post ups, penetratation of of isolations and play him more when Amare is out. When Amare is in encourage him to hang out outside the three point arc. His three point shooting has now surpassed Marion's falling numbers. Use him to find interior cutters, or make teams pay with three pointers.

[Superbone]

Well if its a contest then there will be a winner right?

There are no winners in a contest that involves pissing.

[SpecialSauce]

You're right SB. No winners, just weiners :)

[Spanky]

Must...... keep..........winning.......... w00ter00t

[Superbone]

You're right SB. No winners, just weiners :)

<drumroll>...<cymbal crash>

:lol: Good one, SK.

Well, I already have a pretty good one but I just wish I had a longer one.

[MTSunsFan]

Hey, can I get in on this pre-game whine-fest? Ah, nevermind. A shout out to Swing though for his legendary thread creating skills!!!

[misteradiant]

bore-us doesn't play enough to get those stats because he's sucked for so long. take what you get and excel, frenchy. 9 mil for a guy that plays less than 30 minutes? wasted cash better used somewhere else.

it must be true because wormwood preaches it? reach much?

i care if he doesn't rep the suns well. so do many others. he isn't barkley who got away with it because he' a star. bore-us is going to be forgotten in three years or less. watch.

saucy, your growling boris avatar gives away your predisposition to favor him. your testimony is discounted and won't be accepted into court record.

amare is hot shit. 42 fuckin' points in one game this week. boris? 14. and i don't see amare on dirtyscottsdale. if i did, i bet the chicks he's with are hotter.

in summary: boris is a paycheck-collecting slacker. amare kicks ass.

[misteradiant]

Boris....

People sure are getting worked up about him, so I'll try a run down of my thoughts:

1. Boris and Amare definitely like the same spots on offense, reducing him to a jump shooter, which he's only OK at.

2. His appearance on dirtyscottsdale isn't damning.... there's photos of Nash and Dirk absolutely fitshaced. However, too many pictures, too scuzzy a source, definitely bad judgement. We know these guys aren't saints, but most of them are smart enough not to have their sins photographed and posted on the net. Call it in error in judgement, but the link between the pics and his play on the court is speculative at best.

3. Boris definitely isn't earning his 9 million per year. He's better than Banks, but his contract is probably just as unmovable.

4. Statistically, there's little difference between Boris and Skinner. Boris is at -11.2 per 48, and Skinner is at -11.5. Skinner's a bit of a bargain at 1.2 million, but that makes Boris guilty of sever under achivement.

5. Boris definitely loses boards to Amare. Amare parks underneath the basket, Diaw camps out around the FT line on offense. In 2005-2006 he averaged 7.4 rpg after KT went down, and 6.5 before.

6. Diaw has actually regressed since last season. His +/- and PER are both down.

What would be my recommendation? Post ups, penetratation of of isolations and play him more when Amare is out. When Amare is in encourage him to hang out outside the three point arc. His three point shooting has now surpassed Marion's falling numbers. Use him to find interior cutters, or make teams pay with three pointers.

nice post. in summary: excuses for boris sucking.

[INFORMER]

Arenas is out, so I guess a win here doesn't count either, right?

Actually, is it just me, or is Washington playing better now than before Arenas went down?


I'm the type that wants to beat opposing teams at their best -- when everyone is on the floor. Which pretty much makes me the antithesis of a Mavs fan.

Nice. :wink:

[SpecialSauce]

I have him has my avatar to show support for somebody that you are unfairly constantly bashing. Do I think he should be playing better? Yes. Is he way too passive? Yes. Is he garbage? No. He does a lot of things right. Does his going out and having some fun affect his play? Absolutely not. Therefore is it any of my business what he does? Nope

[Coop]

In my opinion... I honestly think Boris just played hard for his contract. There have been alot of players who have done it before..... see Dampier, Erick

He got his contract, and now I believe he plays half ass.

[Coop]

but anyway...... Go Suns.... kick the Wizards ass!!!!

[MTSunsFan]

I think Washington is 6 & 4 since Agent Zero went down, Inf. Don't know if that says they are playing better w/out him though...

[misteradiant]

I have him has my avatar to show support for somebody that you are unfairly constantly bashing. Does his going out and having some fun affect his play? Absolutely not.

really? how many times have you posted or agreed to posts about charles' proclivities for the club scene and how it affected his play? don't make me call jesus for the truth.

if i am unfailry bashing a player making 45 mil for the next 5 years and who averages 7.4 points, 3.7 assists and 4.7 rebounds, then i assume everyone is happy with his output and i'm just over-reacting to nothing. this is what we expected from him when we gave him that payday. sorry.

[triplethreat06]

In my opinion... I honestly think Boris just played hard for his contract. There have been alot of players who have done it before..... see Dampier, Erick

He got his contract, and now I believe he plays half ass.

Don't forget Larry Hughes, my god he led the league in steals while scoring over 20 a game and was a legitimate candidate for DPOY.

And let's get some things straight:

Boris is a good basketball player: FACT
Boris is a complete 3-tool player: FACT
Boris was the best player on the court in that 05-06 Lakers series after Nash and Kobe: FACT

I'm all for forgetting about his current situation and just enjoying the ride. For god sakes we have Grant fucking Hill!! I loved his game back then and I still love it today. So now I'm saying, fuck Boris and all this melodrama. Our starting five is the best in the league, we get twice the production and efficiency of two starting fives in ONE. Barbosa is dynamite waiting to exploded at any given moment (Orlando, Toronto) and Skinner is a madman doing the dirty things and earning our adulation. Boris is a minor minor player as of this moment, and when we really really really need him to step it up, then I'll be right there with you guys holding his ass to the fire. Right now I'll just watch and enjoy.

[Coop]

Don't forget Larry Hughes, my god he led the league in steals while scoring over 20 a game and was a legitimate candidate for DPOY.

And let's get some things straight:

Boris is a good basketball player: FACT
Boris is a complete 3-tool player: FACT
Boris was the best player on the court in that 05-06 Lakers series after Nash and Kobe: FACT

I'm all for forgetting about his current situation and just enjoying the ride. For god sakes we have Grant fucking Hill!! I loved his game back then and I still love it today. So now I'm saying, fuck Boris and all this melodrama. Our starting five is the best in the league, we get twice the production and efficiency of two starting fives in ONE. Barbosa is dynamite waiting to exploded at any given moment (Orlando, Toronto) and Skinner is a madman doing the dirty things and earning our adulation. Boris is a minor minor player as of this moment, and when we really really really need him to step it up, then I'll be right there with you guys holding his ass to the fire. Right now I'll just watch and enjoy.


I agree, except for the fact that we are paying this minor minor player a pretty hefty salary, and for that everyone is going to expect more out of him.

[misteradiant]

Boris is a minor minor player as of this moment...

you are correct. a minor player making 9 mil this year. gotta love that.

EDIT: beat me to it, coop.

[Wormwood]

nice post. in summary: excuses for boris sucking.

Not excuses, Mr, more like opining on the reasons why he's playing badly. We both know how much I hate Banks... I just wrote Boris contract is as bad or worse. Ouch. I don't think I soft sold how he's playing. I agree he's playing even worse than last year.

What's maddening about him is how good he was for one season and the playoffs. Something happened. Not sure if it was the contract, or if it was re-introducing Amare. Maybe he needs to start. I have no idea what it is, but I can tell you I was one of the folks here who was sold on him after the 2005-2006 season. Fer chrissakes, I compared him (repeatedly) to Grant Hill and Danny Manning. That's some fine company. Now?

He's ours, now, and we couldn't get rid of him unless Amare went with him too. So, the unpleasant truth is instead of wanting him dead, we need to figure out what to do to get him going again, because he is now at that point where he has the same trade value as Jerome James, Larry Hughes, and Marcus Banks. Unlike the others, there's still a chance he could turn it around.

Ouch.

[triplethreat06]

you are correct. a minor player making 9 mil this year. gotta love that.

EDIT: beat me to it, coop.

As much as that contract pains me as a fan, I can't even fathom what anger is boiling in our management. And bad contracts are signed all the time, deal with it. Rashard Lewis for 125 million over 7 years? Anderson Varejao for anything more than the MLE?? What???

I have to sit back sometimes and remember that I'm a fan of the team on the court, and a critic of the team when it's off the court, and sometimes the critic in me makes me forget why the fan in me loves this team. But hey I wouldn't wanna armchair quarterback with any other group of fans than the knowledgeable ones on this site!

[Mori_Chu]

I don't care about the dirtyscottsdale stuff. But I do care about Boris' play on the court.

He's obviously disappointing, but one thing I can say is that he isn't really hurting us when he's out there. His defense is actually pretty good, and I'd argue that he has actually improved significantly in that area over the past few years. He holds his own in the post defending against bigger players. And on offense, yes he isn't aggressive enough, but he does often help get the ball to someone else who can score or drive. He hasn't notched a ton of assists, but he doesn't hurt us out there on offense.

So I'm mildly unimpressed with Boris, but not actively upset. The main thing is that I still have a lot of hopes for him, because I've seen what he can do when everything comes together (like the first half of that Pacer game).

[misteradiant]

at this point i'd trade verejao for boris straight up if i could, trip. at least andy plays like he cares. i think if he got the ball under the basket it would be a dunk, if not an and-one. and the rebounds? can you imagine he and amare boxing out in tandem?

i gotcha, worm. i know that wasn't the intent of your post. it's just what it ended up looking like, relatively negative remarks and all.

ok. here's the deal with my frustration with boris. it isn't really the dirty scotts stuff. that is just the ill-tasting icy on an already dry cake (look at his skin tone in that last pic - i expected to see a hardhat on his head - mine for chalk much, boris?). my displeasure is based in these observations:

1. he makes 9 mil this year and isn't producing anything near that.
2. that's really it.

[triplethreat06]

You put my thoughts into better words Mori. Have we ever really blamed a loss on Diaw? Has there ever been a time when you've said "Boris Diaw is losing this game for us." No, because our system is bigger than one or two players. It's the ball ain't movin, the shots ain't falling, the defense ain't solid (usually the case).

Boris just does what he does when he does it, that's all he does. Yeah I don't get it either, so fuckin sue me...

[Coop]

at this point i'd trade verejao for boris straight up if i could, trip. at least andy plays like he cares. i think if he got the ball under the basket it would be a dunk, if not an and-one. and the rebounds? can you imagine he and amare boxing out in tandem?

i gotcha, worm. i know that wasn't the intent of your post. it's just what it ended up looking like, relatively negative remarks and all.

I believe I would too. The reason I would is because I think he would be perfect in our system. The way he hustles he would be rewarded well.

[triplethreat06]

I would too. I live in Cleveland so I get to watch every Cavs game with my fanatic roomate and Varejao reminds me alot of Barbosa. Really young, raw, active talent. Offensively limited, but he thrives in chaos and basks in the standing O's and pats on the back he gets from LeBron after a dunk or hustle play to save the ball. He's an instant fan favorite. Don't get me wrong tho, he's still NOT worth whatever they are paying him right now.

Why he's different from Diaw also is, that like Barbosa he's trying hard all the time. Diaw has like 10 times the talent and skill yet none of that urgency to get better. This is why we let Barbosa off the hook, for Saucy I think who mentioned it earlier. We see that he's TRYING to get better, he's TRYING hard all the time.

[misteradiant]

You put my thoughts into better words Mori. Have we ever really blamed a loss on Diaw? Has there ever been a time when you've said "Boris Diaw is losing this game for us." No...

that is because he doesn't involve himself in the game enough to make or miss a shot/play that might matter. he's just not that important.

boris isn't an impact player but he's being payed impact player money.

[Coop]

I think we just all have to admit that Boris pretty much tricked us. He played hard in a contract year.

He makes more money then.... Barbosa, Bell, Hill, and Skinner

[misteradiant]

and let's not forget that coach doesn't have him on the floor at the end of tight games any more.

[triplethreat06]

Congrats, we just surpassed the post count of the Suns Knicks game thread and we have yet to tip off. For a change of pace, how about this game tonight?

As much as I LOVE Gilbert, the Wizards are a much more cohesive team without him. They play hard and unselfishly. This won't be easy like last year in D.C. when we took em out of the game in the first quarter. The kid Blatche is playing well at center and Butler is doing his thing. They're going to try and match us in speed, but in the words of Amare:

"Yeah i heard they were trying to be the Phoenix Suns of the East. But I think we all know there is only one Phoenix Suns. And we rest in the West. And that's how it's going to be for a while."

[misteradiant]

relatively tight game. suns by 9 or less. boris sucks. steve and raja excel.

i disagree that the wiz are better without gil. they are merely good men with warrior attitudes. lets trade them for boris and watch that all disappear.

just joking.

or am i?

i am.

maybe.

what does (insert 6'8" or taller wiz player here) make?

[Superbone]

amare is hot shit. 42 fuckin' points in one game this week. boris? 14. and i don't see amare on dirtyscottsdale. if i did, i bet the chicks he's with are hotter.

That's what it all boils down to. If the chicks were hotter, we wouldn't be having this conversation. ;)


Random observation:

Why do those pics make me want to start singing, YMCA?

Also, what happend to no shirt, no service?


Suns math of the day:

Boris - the aggression = 3 Mil per year

Boris + the aggression = 9 Mil per year

Conclusion: Boris owes us 6 mil per unless he gets his act in gear.

[misteradiant]

now you're talking, Superbone!

beers are on boris!

wait a second. that's not the mental picture i was thinking of....

[Xcon]

2 questions:

1. Who thinks Boris' play will dramatically improve in the last year of his contract?

2. How do I get on this Dirty Scottsdale site?

[misteradiant]

come meet us at stingray on scottsdale road in 10 minutes x ;) we'll get you on DS!

[jkalldaway]

so that must mean you want him on your fantasy team, right shelc?

i don't see other players on dirty scottsdale. i don't see other players making so much money and providing so little. i don't see players two feet from the hoop passing up a jam or layup to toss the ball to the three-point line. i don't see other players getting quotes where they come off as disinterested or worse. i don't see other players being defended by coach because they are playing so poorly.

we are just putting 1 and 1 together. show me pix of other suns players on dirty scottsdale and i could care less. they are performing. he's partying and sucking come game time. seems like a logical correlation to a lot of us.

as for not being "ripped," he deserves to get ripped by us for the impression he is giving of being more conerned with partying and bitches than the game he is payed 9 million this year to play.

boris sucks and he's partying all the time. show me another player who is doing that.

thought so.


Here is your MVP.

http://www.drunkathlete.com/2006/05/22/steve-nash-drunk.aspx

[jkalldaway]

Well Amare has like 3 big dunks in the first half. Is it 2004?

[SpecialSauce]

really? how many times have you posted or agreed to posts about charles' proclivities for the club scene and how it affected his play? don't make me call jesus for the truth.

if i am unfailry bashing a player making 45 mil for the next 5 years and who averages 7.4 points, 3.7 assists and 4.7 rebounds, then i assume everyone is happy with his output and i'm just over-reacting to nothing. this is what we expected from him when we gave him that payday. sorry.

I don't know shit about Charles' proclivities for the club scene. I was 6 years old at that time, I didn't even know what a club was, so no I have never agreed to anything or even commented on that.

Dude, I don't think Boris is worth his 9 million. Definitely not with the way he's playing. But to sit there and bash him because of pictures is ridiculous, and he's not as bad as you act. You act like we have the second coming of Tsakalidis out there. Boris plays well on D and does a lot of little things right. Not worth 9 million though, more like 3-4.

[duck44]

I don't know shit about Charles' proclivities for the club scene. I was 6 years old at that time, I didn't even know what a club was, so no I have never agreed to anything or even commented on that.

Dude, I don't think Boris is worth his 9 million. Definitely not with the way he's playing. But to sit there and bash him because of pictures is ridiculous, and he's not as bad as you act. You act like we have the second coming of Tsakalidis out there. Boris plays well on D and does a lot of little things right. Not worth 9 million though, more like 3-4.

How old are you?

[SpecialSauce]

I'm 20

[AmareIsGod]

*crickets chirping*

Let's get back to the game. Wow! No one has responded on here? 40 points in the 3rd! Outscored Washington 40-21. AMAZING offensive production so far!

[FrontRowSun]

Dude.... Leo just dropped a Gervin finger roll from 10 feet out. It barely moved the net as it dropped straight in.

Sickest play of the night so far. Even over Amare's impromptu windmill when he avoided Blatche on his way to the rack.

We are in full control now.

[duck44]

*crickets chirping*

Let's get back to the game. Wow! No one has responded on here? 40 points in the 3rd! Outscored Washington 40-21. AMAZING offensive production so far!

I agree.

Amazing!!!!

[ethan_cohen]

Boris is French. They get paid not to work. Forget about passion in the workplace or earning his paycheck, we're lucky he's not on strike or burning cars in Scottsdale.

Oh, and he looks pretty damn good tonight, but I don't want that to interrupt the hate fest.

Grant Hill replacing James Jones for the price we paid is the best upgrade in history of basketball. Seriously.

[SpecialSauce]

Grant Hill replacing James Jones for the price we paid is the best upgrade in history of basketball. Seriously.


yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup

[Suns_Dave]

A Picasso of an offensive game by the suns tonight. Nice to see Amare rounding back into form after the preseason surgery. Nash is clearly hurting, but he's playing at an incredibly high level despite the injuries. Marion hasn't been getting the same lift we're used to seeing from him in year's past and he's had a little more trouble finishing around the rim, but his play is fantastic otherwise. Barbosa has become the dynamic all-around force we all knew he would be (well some of us anyway). Boris has been playing on a couple bum ankles, but he seems to let his injuries affect him psychologically more than any other player on the roster. Would like to see more mental toughness from our 9 million-dollar man.

Not very impressed with Nick Young so far. He looks like Kareem Rush-lite out there. Not interested in any aspect of the game except looking for his own shot. Horrible defender as well. Surprisingly athletic dunker though.

[duck44]

Nash continues to break his assist record for the season in each game this road trip.

I love it!!!!

[misteradiant]

Here is your MVP.

http://www.drunkathlete.com/2006/05/22/steve-nash-drunk.aspx


yeah. never saw that before. four years ago....

[misteradiant]

I don't know shit about Charles' proclivities for the club scene.

good cut-n-paste.


Dude, I don't think Boris is worth his 9 million. Definitely not with the way he's playing. But to sit there and bash him because of pictures is ridiculous, and he's not as bad as you act. You act like we have the second coming of Tsakalidis out there. Boris plays well on D and does a lot of little things right. Not worth 9 million though, more like 3-4.

my point exactly. as for the jake refs; beeotch, pleeze.

[misteradiant]

but seriously. boris looked good for three posseions in a row. a three, a good move to the basket for an easy jumper and another jumper. where was he for the rest of the game?

anybody notice he didn't play with amare, who kicked ass?

[SpecialSauce]

good cut-n-paste.



my point exactly. as for the jake refs; beeotch, pleeze.


Okay? Your point has nothing to do with what I said. You're pointing at Boris having fun as to why he's passive.

[sunsdotcom]

Boris is French. They get paid not to work. Forget about passion in the workplace or earning his paycheck, we're lucky he's not on strike or burning cars in Scottsdale.

:lol:

[Wormwood]

Boris is French. They get paid not to work. Forget about passion in the workplace or earning his paycheck, we're lucky he's not on strike or burning cars in Scottsdale.

Oh, and he looks pretty damn good tonight, but I don't want that to interrupt the hate fest.

Grant Hill replacing James Jones for the price we paid is the best upgrade in history of basketball. Seriously.

Post. Of. The. Night.

Back to the game.

Amare was woofing it down. The dunk that left the board shaking back and frth was a monster.

We dominated inside. The team is moving the ball extraordinarily well. Everyone is getting touches, and even Amare and Marion are passing. Because f this, our games are turning into lay up lines.

We're rolling now folks. The offense s back where it was last year at this time. The D is still lacking, but....

We're laying down some hard fouls. Barbosa had a flagrant 1, and SKinner had two that left his mark rolling around on the pine moaning and clutching at various body parts. Good.

Amare is avoiding fouling, but our perimeter defense looked good. The Wizards were living and dying by the jump shot. This game would have been a blow out but for all the offensive rebounds we gave up.

In the first half, nothing seemed to bounce in, and everything was popping out. I had a feeling that once w switched ends and got some softer rims in the second half we'd blow them out.

If Barbs gets his 3 point shot back he could drop 30 a night. Is mid-range game has gone from bad to spectacular in just two seasons. Wow.

Nash is the best PG in the game, even playing with one arm. Literally.

[SunsFan4Life]

Nash,Barbs,Amare,Bell=Awsome tonight.

Raja was on fireeeeeeeee. Great to see.

Amare's shooting has been absurd this road trip. When he shoots the mid range you might as well start running down the other end of the court cause its going in.

Barbosa's finger roll was nasty. The Wiz announcer almost jumped out of his chair. unreal..Leo might win 6th man of the yr AGAIN if it wasn't for Floppy G.

Hill hoo-hum hovering around a triple double again tonight...thats getting to be ordinary for him.

16-4 let's tame the pups tommorow then go home for the big "no-dall-SA-Utah" Stretch

[misteradiant]

Boris is French. They get paid not to work. Forget about passion in the workplace or earning his paycheck, we're lucky he's not on strike or burning cars in Scottsdale.

Oh, and he looks pretty damn good tonight, but I don't want that to interrupt the hate fest.

Grant Hill replacing James Jones for the price we paid is the best upgrade in history of basketball. Seriously.

what an awesome post! i laughed loudly throughout. everything spot on. woof.

[jkalldaway]

yeah. never saw that before. four years ago....

Who cares when it was? It was his MVP season, so according to you guys who say that Boris' going out is inhibiting his play, that picture is direct proof that a player can go out, get wasted and still have the ability to play at the top of their game.

[jkalldaway]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- There it was for everyone to see, out on the court during the flow of the game and later in black and white on the stat sheet, yet hardly anyone could believe it: 42 assists on 50 field goals for the Phoenix Suns (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=pho).

"Pretty crazy, right?" said Raja Bell (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3467)."

Impressive," said Amare Stoudemire (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3607)."

Just incredible," sighed Washington Wizards (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=was) coach Eddie Jordan.

Steve Nash (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3103) delivered a season-high 19 assists, Stoudemire scored 27 points, and Bell had 14 of his 22 points during a game-deciding third quarter, helping Phoenix beat Washington 122-107 Friday night for its fifth consecutive victory.

"When the ball moves like that," Nash said, "we're difficult to guard."

The Suns led only 60-55 at halftime, before breaking the game open. They outscored Washington 40-21 in the third period, when Bell made all five of his field-goal attempts, including 4-for-4 on 3-pointers.

The two-time league MVP had seven assists in the quarter, when Phoenix shot a remarkable 17-for-22 -- 77.3 percent.

"It all starts," forward Shawn Marion (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3332) said, "with Steve Nash."

Nash has four games in a row with at least 15 assists. He had 18 Wednesday, when Phoenix scored 136 points in a victory at Toronto, prompting this assessment from Suns coach Mike D'Antoni: "Offensively, we were just awesome."

It was more of the same Friday, right from the get-go. With clockwork ball movement -- not just by Nash, but everyone -- each starter had one of the team's first five baskets. The 42 total assists were the most by an NBA team this season.

"If I think too much, I'll mess it up," D'Antoni said Friday. "I just stay out of the way right now."

The Suns' scoring was well-divided, with six players in double-figures. Nash finished with 12 points, Leandro Barbosa (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3731) had 20 points and seven assists, Grant Hill (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=2626) had 18 points and eight assists, and Marion had 12 points and 10 rebounds.

"No matter who's in the game, they're going 100 miles an hour at both ends of the floor," said Washington's Antawn Jamison (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3247), who had 16 points and 11 rebounds.

Stoudemire scored 21 points in the first half, mainly on dunks and layups, so the Wizards decided they were going to commit to limiting his touches close to the basket.

If Phoenix won by making outside shots, so be it, the thinking went.

"That worked for about three possessions," Jordan said.

The Wizards were led by reserve forward Andray Blatche (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3975)'s 19 points and 10 rebounds. Washington's leading scorer, Caron Butler (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3608), was held to 12 points.

The Suns scored the game's first seven points and never trailed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't competitive. Not at all. Well, for a half, anyway. Washington repeatedly got within one point, although Phoenix responded each time.

The Wizards were without their own All-Star point guard, Gilbert Arenas (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3540), who scored 54 points in a game at Phoenix last season but right now is sidelined after having a second operation on his left knee.

Arenas was in Washington's locker room before Friday's game, riding on a stationary bicycle for the first time since having surgery last month.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=271207027

[AlanS]

Some comments from my attendance at the Suns/Wiz game:

[1] For me, this game had a "less filling" vibe to it. It lacked the kind of excitement that you feel from watching two evenly matched foes compete.

Although the score was somewhat close at the end of the first half, it was obvious that the talent level of the two teams was not. The Suns were basically able to get any shot they wanted. They stopped their own momentum by missing foul shots, or missing the kinds of shots they usually make. But I had the feeling that wouldn't last.

[2] Meantime, the Suns did a good job of containing Jamison, and more important, Caron Butler. For reasons I can't understand, Butler never really got off. This is a guy who was averaging 23 ppg, but he finished with just 12 pts on 6/15 FGs. I have to finally give Grant Hill some credit for doing a good defensive job. Meanwhile, Jamison had 16 pts on just 7/21 shooting. And I must give Marion some credit for that.

So basically, the Wiz were getting by in the first half with their non-stars (ie, not Butler or Jamison) taking a lot of shots. The question was, could those other guys keep making shots in the second half?

[3] My feeling after the first half was, the Suns were just taking the measure of the Wizards, so to speak. With all of that in mind, I told the couple next to me, "If the Wizards are going to get blown out, it will happen in the 3rd quarter." Sure enough, the Suns came out with all guns blazing, making shots they usually make, and wearing the Wiz out with their relentlessness. It was an awesome offensive sight to behold.

Meanwhile, although the Wizards shot a high percentage, they hit a lull in the third where their guys couldn't keep up with the Suns' offensive outburst. Suns had 100 pts after 3 qtr... wow.

[4] Shawn Marion, darn... he is really struggling right now. In the first half, he missed several shots that, it seems to me, he would have made last year. It's really disheartening to see.

Still, he made himself "relevant" in the second half, by crashing the offensive glass. He had several offensive rebounds, converting two on tip-ins. One tap-back rebound caused groans from the crowd; the Wiz were finally able to get a stop, and then, Marion tips it back to give the Suns a new possession. It was a back-breaker.

[5] Boris had a mixed game. He was quite good in the first half, but faded in the second. I hope the coaches keep riding him. He seems like the kind of guy who needs to have a burr under his saddle to stay aggressive.

[6] I see the Suns had an amazing 42 assists, but at the game, it was hard to appreciate that there were so many assists. You know, anybody can rack up a lot of assists, if they pass the ball to guys who can score - the thing that the audience noted was that Suns kept making shots and wouldn't stop. The bottom line for this game was, the Suns had too too many weapons. Amare was wearing them out in the middle, Raja and Grant were raining 3s, and Barbosa was running the floor, scoring points with just seconds run off the shot clock. The Wizards were just overwhelmed and defenseless... end of story.

[7] PS: Funniest thing at the game: to get the fans to boo the Suns players at the foul line, the arena staff projected images of the Dallas Cowboys on the big screen. If you didn't know, the Cowboys and Redskins are bitter rivals. I've never heard such loud booing at any Wizards game I've ever attended.

[cap]

Barbosa had a flagrant 1
That was B.S.


according to you guys who say that Boris' going out is inhibiting his play, that picture is direct proof that a player can go out, get wasted and still have the ability to play at the top of their game.
Some players can. Boris apparently can’t. ’Cause he isn’t anywhere near the top of his game.

[misteradiant]

Okay? Your point has nothing to do with what I said. You're pointing at Boris having fun as to why he's passive.

no. i'm pointing to your penis.

[jkalldaway]

That was B.S.


Some players can. Boris apparently can’t. ’Cause he isn’t anywhere near the top of his game.

That makes absolutely no sense. How can you conclusively prove that there is a direct correlation between Boris' play and his hobby of going out on the weekend? Do you really think if he was in the gym at 2am on Thursday or Friday nights that he would be better? It has nothing to do with his skill, it is his mentality. A mentality that has nothing to do with his off the court habits.

[jkalldaway]

[7] PS: Funniest thing at the game: to get the fans to boo the Suns players at the foul line, the arena staff projected images of the Dallas Cowboys on the big screen. If you didn't know, the Cowboys and Redskins are bitter rivals. I've never heard such loud booing at any Wizards game I've ever attended.

Hilarious. I was wondering why they were so loud at the line.

[Catharsis]

Amare had a quiet 2nd half.

A win in Minnesota gives the team the road sweep. They should do it...SHOULD!

[SwingMan]

I'll tell ya another good thing from tonight:

Other than Hill's 37 minutes, not another body had over 34 (Nash & Bell). Amare had his 27/8/2 blocks (12-14 FGs) in just 33 minutes. His production is absolutely frightening in its efficiency.....

[misteradiant]

but seriously....

the suns have been bitched about. they've been over-analyzed. we've posted words in defense of our team with intent to slap across the literal faces of our teammates, our coaches, our fans. we are a little bit of teammate and coach in the way we write here. just a little bit. but we are completely fans.

i cannot say enough good things about how the suns played tonight and what i think of them as a team. beware my attempt to do so.

the opponent scored 107 points. we scored 122. that's a 15 point differential, kids. that's after winning by 13 the night before and scoring 136 points. how freaky is that? how amazing is it to be a fan of this team? right now. kablammo. 121. 115. 110. those are the points per game the suns have scored since november 30. that's 121 points average since last month and we've played five games. funkin' a, boston. funk your patriots and your college and your celtics. shaka laka boom boom. you can't even pronounce it right. celtics sounds off with a k sound. keltics. ask an historian or anthropologist. the celtics from the land of green clovers said it with a k. we are the suns. with an s. an s for searing. for subliminal. for salacious. for sublime because the meanings are lost to most. s for superior. s for smear boston.

this is the year we get even. this is the year we dig up ritchie power's grave and dance upon his bones until they turn to dust we snort with flakes of the gold scraped from the trophy we win in spite of him. the high is incredible. yes, i believe there was a piece of his soul there.

ring ring.
hellow.
um. ritchie powers is still alive.
well tell him i wish he was dead.
click.

buy this because the commercial said so. the commercial produced by an american industrial icon. you gotta. 'cause the end of the world is more than just basketball and blowjobs and global warmongering.

earth. hot. space. sun. suns. hooray for simile! don't forget the crackers for the cheese!

whatever i have to do to introduce boris diaw. frenchmen love cheese. that's what the british say, anyway, and who am i to judge. at least i'm not a teenager. boris had three turnovers and one assist. yay for boris. yay. hey, aren't you buying this round? yeah, as soon as i finish my article. buy me one instead boris got five of his seven points in what, fifty seconds of game time? yeah.

timothy leary just laughed in his grave.

damn piss fan i am, being upset with boris. he seems to do what he does at great expense at no distress to the company line. doesn't make us better. doesn't make us worse. end of career documented in months.

if i was coach, i'd figure what time in the average game boris normally scores 90% of his stats and play him those three minutes only. then i'd have time for banks or dj. then we'd be freaky deep. then john lennon would resurrect to say he was jesus and shit man, can't you just all love each other? anyway....

back to the radiant house. the littlest one is doing dishes and singing. i'm in the office and i hear her past the living room. she's 12 and her voice is sublimated by her search for herself at such a young age. i don't know the song, but her voice is beautiful. it's a love song. i love the suns. they make me happy. what a great time to be a suns fan. we deserve it.

happy land of sex and candy and everything you can imagine going your way. finally. she has a little steve nash jersey and plays guitar. she likes the ramones. her dad loved the suns. she says to her boyfriend, "fuck boston. we're gonna kick their collective ass. then they're gonna make a movie out of it. the suns kick the celtics ass movie. starring brad pitt as captain steve nash. yeah. like that, motherfuckers." then she leans up and kisses him deeply as he grabs her ass, bringing her closer as they sprawl naked under blankets at eleven in the morning of a cool and wet with a thousand shades of grey december day.

the sun's rays splay themselves from between the closed window's blinds upon their blanketed shapes.

this message was approved by alvin gentry. hooray for alvin gentry. every motherfucker cheers. the rest of you, just go about your own business quitetly.

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[scosuns]

Overall, I think we looked solid tonight. Amare is such a threat with that jumper, especially with how much its been falling. And all those and 1's he's getting. The Suns were moving the ball around. I think we had 3 people with 20 or more points. It was close at times, but that was pretty much all before halftime. Overall, great effort.

[v9]

really? how many times have you posted or agreed to posts about charles' proclivities for the club scene and how it affected his play?

That was me.

Boris hasn't cost the Suns a championship yet, though. Or did he?

[SpecialSauce]

no. i'm pointing to your penis.


I'm 20, how old are you?

[misteradiant]

69 motherfucker. and jesus is my savior. wanna drink wine and dance? wait. fuck you, saucy. you queer.

(laughing at my most hilarious post ever)

[v9]

BTW: just looked at the ESPN highlights. Anyone still think that Amare's lost a step? Those were some SICK dunks.

[misteradiant]

amare might be considered a god if history took a slightly hilarious spiritual path to the future, you know.

[Andy_S]

[3] My feeling after the first half was, the Suns were just taking the measure of the Wizards, so to speak. With all of that in mind, I told the couple next to me, "If the Wizards are going to get blown out, it will happen in the 3rd quarter." Sure enough, the Suns came out with all guns blazing, making shots they usually make, and wearing the Wiz out with their relentlessness. It was an awesome offensive sight to behold.

Yep, I was at a game last year (I think against the Sonics?) where the Suns were completely toying with their opponent. My friend, who is a fairly new convert to basketball, kept moaning that we weren't beating them, and I repeated over and over that there is a huge difference (and you can see that difference early on) between a game where the Suns allow their opponent stay in the game and let it come down to the wire, and a game where the Suns bait their opponent into the gameplan and force them to run out of steam in the 2nd half. This game, like the other, was of the latter variety.

[jkalldaway]

BTW: just looked at the ESPN highlights. Anyone still think that Amare's lost a step? Those were some SICK dunks.

Tonight was the first time I saw an 04-05 dunk and it was insane.

[SpecialSauce]

69 motherfucker. and jesus is my savior. wanna drink wine and dance? wait. fuck you, saucy. you queer.

(laughing at my most hilarious post ever)

I really don't find you very funny MR, I have to be honest. I find you rude, obnoxious, and arrogant.

As far as Amare, Worm you still think he's a cancer on the court for the team? Not bashing you, just curious if your opinion has changed. I wouldn't trade him for any big in the league not named Dwight Howard.

Charlotte is looking for a PF. Do you think they'd have any interest in Boris? I would love to swing some sort of 3 team deal getting a player like Mike Miller in return. Yes, I like Boris, but I'm not a homer about it and I think we'd be better off with a big time shooter off the bench. Skinner is clearly the better option at this point as a backup to Amare.

[SpecialSauce]

There's no way this will happen, and I don't know how the salaries would match up, but I would love it if this would happen (I don't care if I get bashed about trades when we are on a roll, I still don't like the makeup of the 2nd unit of this team):

Suns receive:
Gerald Wallace
Mike Miller

Grizzlies receive:
Hawks 1st round pick
Charlotte 1st round pick
Diaw
Barbosa

Bobcats receive:
Pau Gasol

No clue if the salaries work.

[zara_drummer]

Getting Wallace would be great, but I dont think Mike Miller is better than LB at this point...i

[Split_T's]

Tonight was the first time I saw an 04-05 dunk and it was insane.
Amare almost had a vintage 04 dunk on Howard the other night as well.

[jkalldaway]

Yeah, on that one he just needed to move it a little to the right. Tonight was awesome because it was instinctive for him. He simply moved the ball while in the air to avoid a defender and then he jammed it home. It was great. He has been dunking a lot more frequently lately, largely because his outside jumper is causing the defense to come out and guard him.

[SpecialSauce]

His dunks are vintage, but what I'm waiting for is for him to take his man to the hole off the dribble for the dunk. That we haven't really seen since 04-05

[Andy_S]

His game is so much better than 04-05, I don't care if he gets an extra clip on Sportscenter.

[AmareIsGod]

His jumper is insane now. I don't know of a big man in the game right now with a jumper as automatic and smooth like his. It's ridiculous. The form. The spin. The arch. Everytime he shoots it, I have confidence it's going to fall in.

[Superbone]

Boris is French. They get paid not to work. Forget about passion in the workplace or earning his paycheck, we're lucky he's not on strike or burning cars in Scottsdale.

Oh, and he looks pretty damn good tonight, but I don't want that to interrupt the hate fest.

Grant Hill replacing James Jones for the price we paid is the best upgrade in history of basketball. Seriously.

Good to have you around, ethan. I always enjoy your posts.

[ethan_cohen]

Thanks Superbone.

[sunsdotcom]

i'm just now watching the pacers suns game and skinner made two midrange jumpers.

and how the f did utah lose to the spurs without duncan?

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[sunsdotcom]

make that 3 straight jumpers.

[Wormwood]

Skinner's mid-range game was commented on by John Hollinger:


2006-07 season: Skinner quietly made a move toward the league's all-facial hair team -- if that goatee got any longer they would have asked him to join ZZ Top.

On the court, however, Skinner's return to Milwaukee wasn't nearly as productive as his last tour of duty.

Pressed into heavier-than-expected service by the Bucks' frontcourt injuries and Dan Gadzuric's unexpected struggles, the 31-year-old bruiser started showing his age, posting the fifth-worst PER among power forwards.

The lone positive was that Skinner showed a bit of an outside touch. He was 11-for-26 on long 2-pointers last season, a shot on which he'd gone a combined 3-for-22 in the previous two seasons, while his 58.2 percent mark from the line was his best since 2002-03.

Scouting report: Offensively, Skinner is all but invisible. His Usage Rate ranked dead last among power forwards, and only one non-center -- the Knicks' Jared Jeffries -- rated lower. And while Skinner gets nearly all his points in the paint, he doesn't draw many fouls, so his TS% is poor despite a decent shooting percentage. Skinner also picks up a lot of fouls on illegal screens, sending his Turnover Ratio through the roof (fifth-worst among power forwards).

Despite those weaknesses, Skinner saw extensive duty because he was the Bucks' only physical frontcourt defender. Though undersized for the center spot at 6-9, he frequently played there against the likes of Yao and Shaq because his 265-pound frame could stand up to the pounding. He was also solid on the boards.

2007-08 outlook: Skinner signed with Phoenix in the offseason, which is a bit of an odd pairing since he's a lumbering player on a run-and-gun team. But as the lone Clydesdale on a roster full of greyhounds, he'll be asked to defend the Yaos and Duncans of the world that Phoenix will face off against in the playoffs. This is perhaps a stretch given that Skinner's play has slipped the past couple seasons, but with the Suns' budget being what it is they had to find a solution in the discount bin and hope for the best.

Most similar at age: Alan Henderson

As for Amare, his jump shot is getting to the point where it puts him in some elite offensive categories. Basically, with his elevation, agility, and height he can have that mid-range shot whenever he likes, and unless your big man challenges it, he'll hit 65%+ of them. This in turn, really clears out the lane for penetrators like Grant Hill. If you leave a smaller player to guard Amare on the perimeter, he just shoots right over them (easily, I might add).

Oddly, Amare's outside game is starting to remind me of Dirks....(And yes, you can compare white players and black players...)

[AlanS]

As for Amare, his jump shot is getting to the point where it puts him in some elite offensive categories. Basically, with his elevation, agility, and height he can have that mid-range shot whenever he likes, and unless your big man challenges it, he'll hit 65%+ of them. This in turn, really clears out the lane for penetrators like Grant Hill. If you leave a smaller player to guard Amare on the perimeter, he just shoots right over them (easily, I might add).

I think Amare's outside shooting, plus the fact that the Suns are running more plays where he's setting picks for outside shooters near the arc, is creating a lot more space underneath the basket for both Hill and Marion.

Shawn had 5 offensive rebounds last night, because he was able to rebound one-on-one against another Wizards' forward. But that was effective because the Washington forwards aren't that big. It would have been harder for Shawn to get those rebounds against Dallas or San Antonio.

[DrSublime]

""Suns receive:
Gerald Wallace
Mike Miller

Grizzlies receive:
Hawks 1st round pick
Charlotte 1st round pick
Diaw
Barbosa

Bobcats receive:
Pau Gasol""

(( i havent figured out how to really quote yet w/the new systen, the Quote check box dosent work for me ))

anyway..

BLECH....
although i think Mike Miller would be killer in the suns system, and i love Wallace (even tho his game in on the decline a little this year which is odd.. at least his stats are anyway) i dont think they are worth giving up Barbosa/Diaw + ATL pick... espically since the ATL pick COULD be Beasley or Rose...

[SpecialSauce]

Well if it turns out that way, then I definitely wouldn't do it. But I really don't see the Hawks losing enough to be anywhere close to a top 10 pick. I'm guessing 15-17

[JackArse]

dr sublime just do this. [ quote] [ /quote] without the spaces of course.

[INFORMER]

But I really don't see the Hawks losing enough to be anywhere close to a top 10 pick. I'm guessing 15-17

I agree to a certain extent. I think the Hawks pick could end up being as high as 9, but as low as 17.

[Mori_Chu]

> and how the f did utah lose to the spurs without duncan?

I can't believe we haven't passed the Spurs in the standings yet. It's insane that they still aren't losing without Duncan. Ginobili is playing out of his mind. It's almost unfair. If we lost Nash, we would definitely be losing games. Why can't they surrender a couple for us??

[INFORMER]

It's insane that they still aren't losing without Duncan.

Yeah, it is almost like they are a great team. :roll:

[triplethreat06]

Ginobli might be the most intelligent player in the league. He's the one guy that I absolutely HATE when we're playing against and absolutely LOVE watching when we're not.

If Nash were to miss a few games this year we'd be ok. There's another brain out there in Grant Hill who can make things happen and score at will. And he plays solid D too. He's like our very own Ginobli.

[Spanky]

Ginobli might be the most intelligent player in the league. He's the one guy that I absolutely HATE when we're playing against and absolutely LOVE watching when we're not.


Get it together man!!! You're breaking up!! :wink: He's a year round HATE for me.

[Mori_Chu]

Yeah, it is almost like they are a great team. :roll:

Point taken. But Duncan is so important to what they do, and their front line is so questionable without him, that I'm surprised they're still beating elite teams like the Mavs and ... who else did they beat? Rockets? Anyway, I'm impressed and a little jealous that they can get by so well without their biggest star.

[JackArse]

mori, we got to the conference finals without amare. i think it'd somewhat similar. or wait, was it the 2nd rd.. yeah, either way, we had one of the best records in the nba still. i think they'd have more problems if they lost either flopu ginobili or tony longoria

[sunsdotcom]

mori, we got to the conference finals without amare. i think it'd somewhat similar. or wait, was it the 2nd rd.. yeah, either way, we had one of the best records in the nba still. i think they'd have more problems if they lost either flopu ginobili or tony longoria

:confused:

[Superbone]

mori, we got to the conference finals without amare. i think it'd somewhat similar. or wait, was it the 2nd rd.. yeah, either way, we had one of the best records in the nba still. i think they'd have more problems if they lost either flopu ginobili or tony longoria

You had it right the first time. Conference Finals.

[desertcoast]

Ginobli might be the most intelligent player in the league. He's the one guy that I absolutely HATE when we're playing against and absolutely LOVE watching when we're not.

If Nash were to miss a few games this year we'd be ok. There's another brain out there in Grant Hill who can make things happen and score at will. And he plays solid D too. He's like our very own Ginobli.


now that's disturbing on soooooo many levels....

[AmareIsGod]

Boris needs to focus on basketball.

[SpecialSauce]

AIG are you wasted?

[AmareIsGod]

No. Working. Why?