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SwingMan
12-07-2007, 03:10 AM
Suns still seek more offense (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/1206suns1207.html)

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Suns center Amaré Stoudemire dunks the ball over Knicks forward David Lee on Sunday. Stoudemire had 28 points in the game.

Paul Coro
The Arizona Republic
Dec. 6, 2007 07:08 PM

WASHINGTON - The Suns lead the league in scoring, field-goal percentage, assists, opponent timeouts after layups and influence on others' offensive strategies.

Three seasons ago, Phoenix was one of six NBA teams to average 100 or more points. If Toronto would bump up from 99.94 points per game, half of the league would be averaging at least 100 points this season.

So how did the Suns (15-4) respond to such copycat flattery? They found a way to score more. They thought they could ramp up the show, but problems with conditioning, cohesion and health kept the curtain closed until this road trip.
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Phoenix has averaged 36 points in the first quarter to roll out totals of 115, 121 and 136 points - its best three-game output since scoring 161 in a double-overtime win a year ago today at New Jersey.

"I just think they're kind of hitting their stride now," Suns coach Mike D'Antoni said. "It's getting to be a little bit more fun. I'd like to see where we can go with it. . . . We're not hitting on all cylinders yet."

In the past five games, five Suns have led or shared the scoring lead.

"Everyone's having fun," said guard Leandro Barbosa, addressing a recent sore spot. "Everyone's smiling and cheering. It's great. It's different than a couple games we've had."

Steve Nash thinks Phoenix can score 115 regularly. Amaré Stoudemire puts it in the 120s.

"We've got so many people who can score the ball, so many players who can create their own shot," Stoudemire said. "We're still growing as a team. We're still getting our chemistry together."

The Suns are falling back into familiar statistical places, leading the usual NBA categories and raising their unusually low three-point and free-throw percentages to climb into sixth in each. They are fouling less often than any team, too, part of the idea of luring opponents' jumpers to ignite a high tempo.

Always good to offer a qualifier to success, Nash wants more cohesion and consistency.

"It's a long season, and you get salty that you don't have the consistency there," Nash said. "It was decent (Wednesday). Now on the next night, if it's not good, are we going to think it's the end of the world again and not talk to each other for another day? It's tough. We have to continue to have the right motives and right attention to detail.

"I have to be careful, because I can take the joy out of the game because I'm critical. I have to be careful not to lose that passion and joy."

Guard Raja Bell was not ready to declare an arrival either, particularly when the defense gives back so many leads.

"We're in the season already, but the chemistry is something we're still working on," Bell said. "I'm behind the 8-ball as far as being in shape. As we start running into shape and our chemistry starts coming together, that's what we're capable of. If we combine that with some stops, you'll see us be able to pull away from teams."

Friday's game

Suns at Wizards

When: 5 p.m.
Where: Verizon Center, Washington.
TV/radio: My 45/KTAR-AM (620).

Washington update: The Wizards (9-9) beat Cleveland 105-86 at home Wednesday. With Gilbert Arenas lost to knee surgery, Caron Butler is playing like an All-Star again with 23.2 points and 6.7 rebounds per game. Antonio Daniels moved into Arenas' starting spot, and the Wizards have gone 6-4 since with a retooled bench - more Andray Blatche, the addition of Nick Young and the return of Darius Songaila.

AlanS
12-07-2007, 06:10 AM
Stats Du Jour - 12/6

CAN'T WIN FOR LOSING

Most fans/teams would be overjoyed to have a 15-4 record, good for 4th best in the NBA. But the joy is muted for many on Planet Orange. For many fans, it's not enough that the Suns win; no, the Suns should be winning 90-95% of their games by margins of 15+ points before they can feel comfortable. Unfortunately, Stat DJ doesn't think that's going to happen.

As they say, heavy is the head that wears the crown. The Suns are veritably "burdened" by the high expectations that people have for them. But, so be it.

All the Suns can do in the meantime is win games. And so far, they are doing just that. And who knows... maybe more wins will stave off a winter of discontent and lead to a festive mood filled with goodwill for all things orange and purple. Maybe.

SUNS LOOKING GOOD ON PAPER

It took a few weeks, but the High Octane Offense is back. After averaging "just" points in their first 7 games, the Suns have been red hot on their side of the court.

The website www.dougstats.com tracks NBA teams' performance for their last 10 games. This is where the Suns are at compared to the rest of the League in the last 10:
• Points per game: 114.5 (#1)
• FG%: 51.3% (#1)
• FT%: 80.9% (#4)
• Assists: 29.1 (#1)

Those are the kinds of numbers we expect from the Suns. But these are some we don't expect:
• Blocks: 6.1 (#4) => Suns were 14th in blocks in 06/07, @ 4.8 per game
• Steals: 7.3 (#11) => Suns were 26th in steals in 06/07, @ 6.7 per game

The hope is that the Suns will build on that to improve defensively. There's a long ways to go, but this isn't a bad start.

NO TRIPLE THREAT...

For the Suns, the 3PT shot has been a major weapon the past few seasons. Since Nash joined the team, the Suns have shot at least 39% from the arc and made at least 9.5 3s per game, leading the NBA in both of those statistical categories.

But in their last 10 games, the Suns 3PT attack has not been an advantage. Consider these averages:
• Suns: 7.4 3PTm / 20.0 3PTa, 37.0% 3PTFG
• Opponents: 7.5 3PTm / 20.2 3PTm, 37.1% 3PTFG

The numbers don't lie: the Suns are basically breaking even with the opposition from the arc. A big problem has been the 3PT shooting, or lack thereof, of Leandro Barbosa. He leads the team in 3PT attempts for the last 10 games, with 58 shots, but he's only shooting 32.8% from the arc. Last season, LB made 43.4% of his 3s. Shawn Marion is also having problems, making just 6 of 29 (20%) of his 3s in the last 10 games.

One guy who has done well from the arc recently is Grant Hill. After shooting and missing a lot of treys at the start of the season, he's made 7 of his last 16 3s, good for a 43.8% average.

...BUT THE FOUL LINE HAS BEEN SWEET

Although the Suns haven't gained much of an advantage on 3s, they are doing well from the foul line. Here are averages from the last 10 games:
• Suns: 19.5 FTm / 24.1 FTa, 80.9% FT
• Opponents: 15.8 FTm / 22.9 FTm, 69.0% FT

That translates to a 3.7 point advantage from the line, and that's been key; in the last 10 games, the Suns are winning by an average of 5.8 points.

It remains to be seen if this advantage will persist. In part, it's based on good luck. In the NBA, only 2 teams are shooting under 70% from the line. So, for Suns' opponents to be shooting just 69% in the last 10 games, it must be considered an aberration. We'll see how things work out.

> In his last 10 games, Amare Stoudemire is averaging 31.4 minutes, 7.7 FTa, and 6.6 FTm. That's an 85.7% FT average, from a guy who had trouble hitting foul shots earlier in his career.

MISCELLANEOUS STUFF

The Suns are clearly a good offensive team, but who's the best? According to stat guru John Hollinger of ESPN, these are the teams with the top offensive efficiencies: #1 Spurs, 110.7; #2 Pistons, 109.8; #3 Suns, 109.4...

The Suns are one of a handful of teams that (a) have a better road record than home record, and (b) have a winning road record: Suns 6-2 home, 9-2 road; Magic 5-2 home, 11-2 road; Nets 4-7 home, 5-3 road; Pacers 4-6 home, 5-4 road; Warriors 4-5 home, 6-3 road; Hornets 4-5 home, 8-2 road... the Suns play 19 of their 41 road games in November and December...

Amare Stoudemire leads the Suns in rebounds per 48 minutes, with 15.4 reb/48 (Skinner, 14.8 reb/48, Marion 14.0 reb/48)... Grant Hill's last 10 games: 17.1 ppg, 54.2% FG, 43.8% 3PTFG, 88.0% FT, 4.7 assists, 4.4 rebs...

In their last 10 games, the Suns are averaging 13.8 turnovers vs 13.7 for opponents; and 43.0 rebs vs 43.6 rebs for opponents.

Wormwood
12-07-2007, 07:37 AM
Shawn Marion's awful 3 point shooting should come as no surprise. His numbers have been falling for YEARS.

2001-02 39.3
2002-03 38.7
2003-04 34.0
2004-05 33.4
2005-06 33.1
2006-07 31.8
2007-08 27.0

Career 33.9

The fact that there has never been a single uptick in this trend is actually pretty amazing.

ShelC
12-07-2007, 07:51 AM
Earlier in his career he wasnt taking a whole lot tho IIRC so the numbers a re bit skewed. In 04-05 i was surprised at how many he was making and hes almost always been able to hit them from the corner. This year tho he hasnt even been close no matter where hes shooting them.

IronMan
12-07-2007, 08:44 AM
Shawn Marion's awful 3 point shooting should come as no surprise. His numbers have been falling for YEARS.

2001-02 39.3
2002-03 38.7
2003-04 34.0
2004-05 33.4
2005-06 33.1
2006-07 31.8
2007-08 27.0

Career 33.9

The fact that there has never been a single uptick in this trend is actually pretty amazing.

How does this compare to his number of attempts over each of those same years?

Xcon
12-07-2007, 09:13 AM
I get the feeling that Shawn doesn't work on his shot much...

Wormwood
12-07-2007, 09:25 AM
Year 3P% 3PA
2001-02 39.3 1.5
2002-03 38.7 4.5
2003-04 34.0 3.4
2004-05 33.4 4.2
2005-06 33.1 3.6
2006-07 31.8 3.2
2007-08 27.0 3.3

Career 33.9

AmareIsGod
12-07-2007, 09:41 AM
Amare looks scary ripped in that picture. Look at his biceps and definition. Dude is cut.

Dustbuster
12-07-2007, 09:52 AM
Now all we need is a pic of Amare and Boris shirtless together and this week would be complete:)

jed
12-07-2007, 10:19 AM
Shawn Marion's awful 3 point shooting should come as no surprise. His numbers have been falling for YEARS.

2001-02 39.3
2002-03 38.7
2003-04 34.0
2004-05 33.4
2005-06 33.1
2006-07 31.8
2007-08 27.0

Career 33.9

The fact that there has never been a single uptick in this trend is actually pretty amazing.

And yet, he seems to rely on the shot more and more. Rather than developing some better moves off the dribble or in the post. You know -- moves that would actualyy make him the cornerstone player he wants to be paid like.

Wormwood
12-07-2007, 10:25 AM
And yet, he seems to rely on the shot more and more. Rather than developing some better moves off the dribble or in the post. You know -- moves that would actualyy make him the cornerstone player he wants to be paid like.

Actually, the number of 3's he's shooting has been trending downward. He's only shooting .1 more threes per game than last season, which works out to 8 more in a season.

Coop
12-07-2007, 10:37 AM
I really hate when I see Marion take a 3 point shot. I pretty much close my eyes.

I really wish Shawn could develop a more low post and 1 on 1 game like Carmelo. They are pretty much the same height and weight. If Shawn could do that he would be 1 of the top 5 forwards in the NBA.

misteradiant
12-07-2007, 10:58 AM
i don't think shawn relies on it more and more, jed. he's just not hitting the same percentage he used to.

2001-02 1.5 attempts per game
2002-03 4.5 "
2003-04 3.4 "
2004-05 4.2 "
2005-06 3.6 "
2006-07 3.2 "
2007-08 3.3 "

looks like he's been shooting 3 and 1/3 per game since his sophomore year. he took a jump a couple times to over 4 a game. who can blame him that first year we got steve back? what has dropped is his 3-pt efficiency. if he could hit a third of his tries, he'd be a threat, which he was until last year. this year, he's taken a noticeable dive. hopefully he can pick it up about 6%.

jed
12-07-2007, 02:19 PM
i don't think shawn relies on it more and more, jed. he's just not hitting the same percentage he used to.

2001-02 1.5 attempts per game
2002-03 4.5 "
2003-04 3.4 "
2004-05 4.2 "
2005-06 3.6 "
2006-07 3.2 "
2007-08 3.3 "

looks like he's been shooting 3 and 1/3 per game since his sophomore year. he took a jump a couple times to over 4 a game. who can blame him that first year we got steve back? what has dropped is his 3-pt efficiency. if he could hit a third of his tries, he'd be a threat, which he was until last year. this year, he's taken a noticeable dive. hopefully he can pick it up about 6%.

I should have probably clarified. I wasn't reacting a ton to the stats. I just remember his first few years where he would work for shots -- and comparing that to his somewhat lazy reliance on the shot now.

I think this is one area where our system was a disservice to him and his career. Had he been encouraged to work a little harder on developing post moves and moves off the dribble, I think he'd be a much more effective player.

INFORMER
12-07-2007, 02:59 PM
The Suns lead the league in . . . opponent timeouts after layups.

LMAO!

misteradiant
12-07-2007, 03:07 PM
I should have probably clarified. I wasn't reacting a ton to the stats. I just remember his first few years where he would work for shots -- and comparing that to his somewhat lazy reliance on the shot now.

I think this is one area where our system was a disservice to him and his career. Had he been encouraged to work a little harder on developing post moves and moves off the dribble, I think he'd be a much more effective player.

<hank hill> yep. </hank hill>

Mori_Chu
12-07-2007, 03:43 PM
Marion should never shoot another 3 in his life unless he's wide open and shooting from the corners. His release is ridiculous, and this year he can't hit them consistently at all.

If only he would, you know, PRACTICE them in the offseason, then maybe he would be able to still hit them. Nash even says in interviews that he practices shooting in the offseason, but does no other basketball. I don't think Marion works on anything at all.

That said, he's been rock steady for us otherwise and is still a huge part of our success this year. So it's a quibble.

misteradiant
12-07-2007, 03:49 PM
when anyone writes "with that said" or a derivative thereof, i am going to post a poem.


pirate mug with rum and then a beer
heavy with head and her new teeth
a misconception where the president says success instead of victory
like the souls of the dead smile
like the lies are more honest bile
and the truth becomes unshackled
with her lawyers at her side
she says she was raped

goodbye freedom
goodbye forgotten hurricane
big house to be sold
i grow old with a love song about prostitution
i seek wisdom through the path of excess
i distance those who love me by being an *******
my terms
my ride to the liquor store
the road less traveled on a zen motorcycle rage
where science is god and the guitar sweeps the air of all it's dust
the tobacco smell
the bad breath
and your heavenly father

the golden compass my ass
follow your bliss

misteradiant
12-07-2007, 03:57 PM
******* gets censored?
boo! sose? boo!!!!

but seriously, i can write fuck, but not *******?

a s s h o l e

kerplunk.