Game Day: Suns @ Warriors

[SwingMan]

Barnburner or massacre? Or barnburning massacre?

Suns killer Jason Richardson is 3,000 miles away and Azubuike's only getting his first taste of prime time. Yeah, former (1997) Suns 2nd round draft pick Stephen Jackson is back and Baron Davis always gives 'em a chance, but these Bayside animals ain't nearly as potent as they were last year.

Plus, Matt Barnes is away tending to his ailing mother, so unless the Italian hotshot Belinelli blows his top, I think the Suns are gonna do a nice little dance on these guys.

Any OAK locals here care to give out with another Warriors scouting report?

Dis∙cuss

[Wormwood]

Warriors are 4-1 on their road trip after Jackson returned. He's averaging 20.4 ppg and can get freaky hot. The warriors look like us, but everyone on the team can shoot the trey. Baron Davis is one of those match ups that Nash hates, and there's no one on the Warriors for us to hide him on (like Bowen on the Spurs). Azubuike is an inside/outside 6-5 220 lb threat, so we can't leave Nash on him. Biedrins gives Amare some problems with his length, Amare's fouling at an incredible rate. Biedrins has also improved his offensive game, al lot.

Oakland is a bad place to play. After years of being bad, and some socio-economic factors, their stadium's lower bowl is full of screaming, raving, foaming at the mouth fans, unlike our 3/4's empty lower bowl with the 1/4 full part consisting of corporate types entertaining out of town guests who couldn't possibly care less about the outcome of the game.

We're older and slower than we used to be.

Barring Nash, Bell, and Barbosa all getting freaky hot from long range, I see the Warriors wearing us down with more consistent scoring because they will always have a mis-match somewhere on the court to take advantage of.

Warriors 124 Suns 115

[Mori_Chu]

I was about to post what Wormwood has already said...

Suns vs. Warriors, in Oakland? I'll take the Warriors in this one. They're hot right now with Stephen Jackson back, and they will be able to expose the fact that we don't run the way we used to. And that crowd is deafening; not a fun place to play at all. I remember how the Warriors drubbed us last year; in some ways they cause big matchup problems for us.

One thing we have going in our favor is that Matt Barnes is out indefinitely tending to his ailing grandmother or something like that. So they'll have a short rotation. But their new guys, Azubuike and the Italian dude, may make up for Barnes' absence.

[Amarvelous]

This should be a good test for us. Suns 135, Warriors 131, OT.

If Amare can stay out of foul trouble and play big minutes I like our chances.

[SwingMan]

Worm, I agree with most of the factors you've posted (couldn't disagree more on Biedrins - the kid has NO shot outside of 3 feet), but you're also posting a REALLY one-sided - as in, only best case for the Warriors, yet only worst case for the Suns - summary.

These ain't the Spurs we're talking about here.

Also, you note their recent 4-1 road trip, despite the fact that said 4 wins came against Toronto, New York, Washington and Philly. The one decent team they played on that trip (Boston), they got pasted by 23.

Here's a few key Warrior season stats as well:

Team - 107 ppg/Opponent - 109.5 ppg
Team - 45.1% FGs/Opponent - 47.6 FGs
Team - 34.1% 3FGs/Opponent - 39.5% 3FGs
Team - 21.6 ast/Opponent - 25.1 ast
Team - 41.4 reb/Opponent - 48 rpg
Team - 16.8 TOs/ Opponent - 13.1 TOs

And this is ALL WITHOUT facing the league's #1 offense - combined with the #4 defense - namely us.

Oh yeah - Thus far: Warriors - 1-4 at home, Suns 6-1 on the road. Anything's possible, but I still believe we'll be dancing all over the Bay.

[JustWinBaby]

Should be a fun game to watch.

If only Stephen Jackson would have had a different head, his skills would have been nice to keep on our roster.

If Baron Davis goes off it could be a tough night. It is really up to him, he can be the most unstoppable player in the league.

Go Suns

[SwingMan]

One key is Babs keeping Monta Ellis in check - he always seemed to be the one (besides Richardson when there) to get hot against us when he's home.

Davis is their main chucker, averaging exactly 20 shots, with Jackson next up at 17 - and neither one of 'em are shooting worth a tinker's damn, with Davis at 43% (31% on 3's) and Jackson at 39% (33% on 3's).

Another key: Their (Warriors) main foulers are their power guys - Biedrins & Harrington. See where I'm going?

[LazarusLong]

Feed Amare early and often.
If Stat can play 40 minutes and steer clear of foul trouble, he could easily have a 40-point night.

[RFID]

There are too many so-called Suns killers in this league. Below is the true NBA Suns Killer Team in my mind...

Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Kobe, Arenas
Peja, Manu, Duncan, Melo, KG, Dirk
D. Howard, Mohammed

[Mori_Chu]

Um, that's great RFID. When did RC Buford put *that* group together? Why not throw in Scottie Pippen and Pistol Pete Maravich while you're at it?

[SwingMan]

There are too many so-called Suns killers in this league. Below is the true NBA Suns Killer Team in my mind...

Tony Parker, Jason Terry, Kobe, Arenas
Peja, Manu, Duncan, Melo, KG, Dirk
D. Howard, Mohammed

:lol: Mohammed? As in "Nazr"? Due to one good game several years ago? :lol: Luc Longley had a 20/10 game while he was here too..... :lol:

Same with Howard, who'd averaged something like 7/4 against us before his outburst the other week - and we still waxed his team.

Terry? Bryant? Dirk the cream puff? :lol:

[Wormwood]

Current Suns killers:

Ginobili, Duncan, Monta Ellis, Richardson, Marcus Camby, Jason Richardson, Baron Davis (when healthy), Rip Hamilton, Chauncy Billups, Mike Bibby, KG, Carmelo ANthony, Gilbert Arenas

[Squeege63]

I think i'd also add Nick Collison to that list of 'suns killers.' he's not a star but he always seems to have big games against us since we don't have someone to match up against him and Wilcox.

[misteradiant]

jesus. lists and replies to "suns killers." you dopes are way too much sometimes. first of all, you all left off jason from halloween and porcupine-face or whatever his name was from that one movie. you know which one i'm talking about. and what about the gunman in the clock tower? or even hitler! you didn't even list hitler! a list of killers and no hitler?

you guys make me sick.

(shakes head and walks away)

[Superbone]

The "Suns killers" list starts and ends with Jerrod Mustaf.

[k_kwan]

Warriors are 4-1 on their road trip after Jackson returned. He's averaging 20.4 ppg and can get freaky hot. The warriors look like us, but everyone on the team can shoot the trey. Baron Davis is one of those match ups that Nash hates, and there's no one on the Warriors for us to hide him on (like Bowen on the Spurs). Azubuike is an inside/outside 6-5 220 lb threat, so we can't leave Nash on him. Biedrins gives Amare some problems with his length, Amare's fouling at an incredible rate. Biedrins has also improved his offensive game, al lot.

Oakland is a bad place to play. After years of being bad, and some socio-economic factors, their stadium's lower bowl is full of screaming, raving, foaming at the mouth fans, unlike our 3/4's empty lower bowl with the 1/4 full part consisting of corporate types entertaining out of town guests who couldn't possibly care less about the outcome of the game.

We're older and slower than we used to be.

Barring Nash, Bell, and Barbosa all getting freaky hot from long range, I see the Warriors wearing us down with more consistent scoring because they will always have a mis-match somewhere on the court to take advantage of.

Warriors 124 Suns 115


Sigh.....Worm, worm, worm :lol: .

Warriors 110 Suns 127

[MTSunsFan]

The "Suns killers" list starts and ends with Jerrod Mustaf.

OUCH!

Junior Varsity Run-&-Gunners v. Varsity Run-&-Gunners. Should be a barn burner w/ the Suns coming out on top after the dust settles.

[sehan]

If we are talking about suns killer teams, I would have to say SA, GS, and Utah based on recent record and their style of play. With SA and GS scarring me the most.

Nevertheless, never bet against your team: 127 to 125 Suns win!!!

[desertcoast]

The "Suns killers" list starts and ends with Jerrod Mustaf.


Nice..

but my list starts and ends with David Stern.

[Mori_Chu]

The "Suns killers" list starts and ends with Jerrod Mustaf.

I was going to say, Marcus Banks, Tim Donaghy, Eddie F. Rush, Bennett Salvatore, Dick Bavetta, David Stern, ...

[cap]

The "Suns killers" list starts and ends with Jerrod Mustaf.

I was going to say, Marcus Banks, Tim Donaghy, Eddie F. Rush, Bennett Salvatore, Dick Bavetta, David Stern, ...

How can you rattle off a list of refs and not mention Richie Powers?

[Superbone]

The "Suns killers" list starts and ends with Jerrod Mustaf.

I was going to say, Marcus Banks, Tim Donaghy, Eddie F. Rush, Bennett Salvatore, Dick Bavetta, David Stern, ...

How can you rattle off a list of refs and not mention Richie Powers?

Why those whippersnappers!...

[LazarusLong]

How can you rattle off a list of refs and not mention Richie Powers?

Word, cap.

Somewhere in Hades, Richie is condemned to reffing donkey basketball games for eternity ...

[SunsFan4Life]

Hate to say it but I think Warriors win this one.

Baron is a real tough matchup for us...

GS 119
PHX 113

[Xylus]

I hate to be a downer, but I'll take the Warriors in this one. They normally play really well against us because they love our tempo. And that Oakland crowd scares the poop out of me.

Warriors - 118
Suns - 115

[DrSublime]

suns, 126
warriors, 104

[cap]

Suns 114
Warriors 109

[SwingMan]

I still think the Suns will walk the dog all over 'em tonight - whether it's because they like to play our tempo or their Swiss cheese defense - just got a feeling.

[RFID]

Suns, 122
Warriors, 118

[phnart]

Go suns....I think the boys in purple and orange win this one a bit easier than some of y'all think.

F*** Richie Powers!

[cap]

Fred Carter picked the Warriors to win. Also said they’ll score at least 120.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Mad Dog. Living up to your name, you are mad.

[tbrkingofthesouth]

mad dog is a idiot

[cap]

This is ridiculous. Just because you’re running doesn’t mean you’re not supposed to play any defense.

[cap]

I am so flipping sick of watching this team play only one end of the floor.

Guys, it’s called defense! Play some! I know you like to run, but that doesn’t mean you’re supposed to let them score quickly to keep the tempo up. That was the old Paul Westhead defense in Denver — “Let them score quickly so we can get the ball back.” We put up 107 points in a half on that team. If we keep playing like this, the Warriors are going to do the same thing to us.

[Xcon]

Can we play Amare and Skinner at the same time, maybe cut off the wide open layups and dunks??

[Xcon]

Oh and I think the coach totally killed Barbosa's rythm by taking him out of the starting line up when Raja came back. Bad move imo.

[DrSublime]

wow 4 3pointers for Davis/Harrington combined already.. blah

[DrSublime]

you know what Suns team i miss watching




<------- that one.

[RFID]

are they going to score 50pt in the 1st quarter?

[Xcon]

and not to make excuses, but these refs are ridiculous. I'm watching here in the bay area and they keeping replaying plays where the refs miss blatant fouls on the warriors.

[BORISDIAW4MVP]

Yeah there has been some home cookin' going on, but that's not the reason for our piss poor defense we are playing right now. We are extremely slow with our rotations and our guys just are making mental mistakes constantly. We've been out of position on most possessions. I miss Iavaroni :(

[BORISDIAW4MVP]

I like how the refs are letting the guys play, but for God's sake call it the same on each end.

[RDM2]

Yeah the Warriors are getting away with murder right now and its frustrating. I wish our guys would fucking turn on the switch and start playing mad.

Were settling for all jump shots and our layups look shy and scared.

[SwingMan]

Hill's hesitating and Nash is off his floor game - can't hold onto the ball for dick.

Oh yeah, some hustle on D and Boris paying attention on rotations might be nice as well. Good thing is that you're never out of the game against the Warriors.

Mike? Wanna get Skinner in there to lay some wood on these fuckers and make 'em think twice about waltzing into the lane?

72-63 Warriors - They ain't gonna go through the 2nd half with just 3 turnovers.

[JackArse]

i wanna know when the fuck a stupid ass lil d league reject should get more respect than a 2 time mvp.. christ.. they're just pushing our guys around on the offensive end, i mean that literally.. two hands.. get out of my way.. ok.. now im' going to drive in. the refs are just completely hideous out there.

at least diaw is doing something.. too bad the rest of the team is kinda in sleepy mode so far.

[sunsdotcom]

it's time to play banks, and slow the pace of the game down.

[SpecialSauce]

Hill's hesitating and Nash is off his floor game - can't hold onto the ball for dick.

Oh yeah, some hustle on D and Boris paying attention on rotations might be nice as well. Good thing is that you're never out of the game against the Warriors.

Mike? Wanna get Skinner in there to lay some wood on these fuckers and make 'em think twice about waltzing into the lane?

72-63 Warriors - They ain't gonna go through the 2nd half with just 3 turnovers.

Oh wow Boris just can't get a break on this board. He's playing awesome and youre still on his balls

[SwingMan]

Banks is gone, sdc - attending a family funeral.

I'd give DJ a shot.....

[SwingMan]

Hill's hesitating and Nash is off his floor game - can't hold onto the ball for dick.

Oh yeah, some hustle on D and Boris paying attention on rotations might be nice as well. Good thing is that you're never out of the game against the Warriors.

Mike? Wanna get Skinner in there to lay some wood on these fuckers and make 'em think twice about waltzing into the lane?

72-63 Warriors - They ain't gonna go through the 2nd half with just 3 turnovers.

Oh wow Boris just can't get a break on this board. He's playing awesome and youre still on his balls

Bite my ass, Saucy. Boris sucks on D tonight.

[SpecialSauce]

Hill's hesitating and Nash is off his floor game - can't hold onto the ball for dick.

Oh yeah, some hustle on D and Boris paying attention on rotations might be nice as well. Good thing is that you're never out of the game against the Warriors.

Mike? Wanna get Skinner in there to lay some wood on these fuckers and make 'em think twice about waltzing into the lane?

72-63 Warriors - They ain't gonna go through the 2nd half with just 3 turnovers.

Oh wow Boris just can't get a break on this board. He's playing awesome and youre still on his balls

Bite my ass, Saucy. Boris sucks on D tonight.

fuck yourself hag

[lazyboy62]

is it playing anywhere on the net?

[JackArse]

ok.. how the fuck does grant hill.. going in for a layup, getting hacked DURING THE LAYUP.. not count as a shooting foul? THE GAME IS RIGGED!.. might as well be wwe

[SpecialSauce]

We're playing terrible on defense, period. The refs are not the reason we are getting our asses handed to us.

[v9]

Not just defense - what's up with the Nash turnovers? We've been seeing that more regularly this year, and this worries me.

[SpecialSauce]

Nash is 95% of the problem on defense. They are abusing him in the halfcourt set, forcing the double team...and the rotations are late. He's getting posted up by whoever he is guarding.

[JackArse]

well.. i gotta say that.. the warriors aren't missing anything.. even things that are ready to bounce out end up going in, regardless of what we do.

[BORISDIAW4MVP]

They are shooting unbelievably well, and the fact that our close outs on jump shots are near non-existant, and our rotations on cutters are not there isn't hurting their percentage either.

[BORISDIAW4MVP]

The warriors are the only team that can out small-ball us.

[JackArse]

i rewound that last foul on raja.. they started to call the foul before the contact even started.

[v9]

and wtf was that last "offensive foul" on Diaw?

[INFORMER]

Nash is 95% of the problem on defense. They are abusing him in the halfcourt set, forcing the double team...and the rotations are late. He's getting posted up by whoever he is guarding.

The same thing happened last year when the suns got blown out by GS. It is just a really bad matchup for Nash.

[jkalldaway]

Game is rigged. this is unreal.

[PHarvey]

I'm not watching, but am listening...

The refs really suck tonight... or it's rigged...

[v9]

The golden state announcer just saw the replay on the "offensive foul" on Amare, and accidentally called it "flop."

The other announcer: "...uhh...that's the old Shaq bulldozer move...blahblahblah...."

[gladiator]

I've just checked in - is there any reason why everyone on the team except skinner has taken more shots than amare?

[JackArse]

i stopped watching, it's just ridiculous.

[v9]

...and watch the Suns go on a run with their "big" lineup with Amare and Skinner...

Don't call D'Antoni an old dog that can't learn new tricks.

[Xylus]

Now I know what the Mavs felt like.

[jkalldaway]

Okay seriously, what is with these calls. We deserve to lose but eliis did not get fouled on that play and what is with the no-call on the Hill drive?

[v9]

I've tried not to blame the refs in this game, but I'm done defending them after the "steal" on Grant Hill, where he got bear-hugged, thrown to the floor - without a whistle!

[RDM2]

We had a chance to push it there but no go...the ball flew into halfcourt to GS and everything has fallen apart from there.

[v9]

We deserve to lose but eliis did not get fouled on that play

Yes - did you see any contact? It was Ellis falling on his ass.

[Catharsis]

Golden State has been able to hit some amazing shots tonight, but after what I just saw, I can't contain myself anymore. The Suns have been getting clobbered all night and been called for ticky tack shit. Ken Mauer and company have been amazingly inconsistent.

[RDM2]

Amare can no longer jump. Its pretty much official. Its a far cry from what we saw in the USA games.

[cap]

Fred Carter picked the Warriors to win. Also said they’ll score at least 120.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Mad Dog. Living up to your name, you are mad.

Looks like Mad Dog called it.

Am I being a downer if I note that we just got our asses kicked by the first decent team we’ve seen since the last time we got our asses kicked? For all the anti-downers love to trumpet the 11-2 (now 11-3) record, can I note that we are 1-3 against teams that don’t completely suck, and even that one win was against the East? Am I a downer if I point that out?

[SwingMan]

Hill's hesitating and Nash is off his floor game - can't hold onto the ball for dick.

Oh yeah, some hustle on D and Boris paying attention on rotations might be nice as well. Good thing is that you're never out of the game against the Warriors.

Mike? Wanna get Skinner in there to lay some wood on these fuckers and make 'em think twice about waltzing into the lane?

72-63 Warriors - They ain't gonna go through the 2nd half with just 3 turnovers.

Oh wow Boris just can't get a break on this board. He's playing awesome and youre still on his balls

Bite my ass, Saucy. Boris sucks on D tonight.

fuck yourself hag

You brought it on your own damn self, fuckstick. You don't like it, don't fucking start it. Otherwise, lump it, asshole.

[JediSkywalker]

The Warriors have been virtually unstoppable, both inside and outside. The key was the 3-pointers. They made more than 50% of theirs.The Suns made some silly turnovers. Still, many of the foul calls on the Suns and non-calls on the Warriors did not make sense.

The Warriors played better but not enough to lead by 15-25 points throught the second half. It should have been a lot closer than this. The refs are partly to blame- typical NBA game. I finally gave up and turned the TV off. We just have to wait until the GSW come here. This is just one game.

However, something good will come out of this. The Suns have not been challenged like this in a while. It will make them a stronger team. Forget about the winning streak at this point in the season. The winning streak we want is in the playoffs- 16 in a row!

Go Suns!

[SpecialSauce]

Your insults are as effective as James Jones's jumpshot Swing

[Amarvelous]

Ugly D. The the more agressive team reaped the benefit of the calls, as is expected. Frustrating game. Now I know what Rockets fans feel like every time we play them. Let's take it out on them next.

[SwingMan]

Nash is 95% of the problem on defense. They are abusing him in the halfcourt set, forcing the double team...and the rotations are late. He's getting posted up by whoever he is guarding.

Yet when I say the same damn thing, I get lit up by you?

Hunker down on the snotty end of my fuckstick, pal.

[v9]

Golden State has been able to hit some amazing shots tonight, but after what I just saw, I can't contain myself anymore. The Suns have been getting clobbered all night and been called for ticky tack shit. Ken Mauer and company have been amazingly inconsistent.

Amazingly consistent, actually. Call everything against the Suns...

If I were the League, I'd be investigating the refs.

[SwingMan]

Your insults are as effective as James Jones's jumpshot Swing

Really?

Then why take the time to respond?

Fucking hypocrite.....

[JediSkywalker]

it's time to play banks, and slow the pace of the game down.

Banks was not present tonight. He was attending a funeral in his family out of town.

[cap]

Saucy, Swing, will you please cut it out?

[JediSkywalker]

Golden State has been able to hit some amazing shots tonight, but after what I just saw, I can't contain myself anymore. The Suns have been getting clobbered all night and been called for ticky tack shit. Ken Mauer and company have been amazingly inconsistent.

Amazingly consistent, actually. Call everything against the Suns...

If I were the League, I'd be investigating the refs.

In David Stern's reign the refs can do no wrong.

[SwingMan]

Saucy, Swing, will you please cut it out?

I'm perfectly willing if Saucy is, cap. He/she's the one who started in with the name calling.

[JackArse]

Golden State has been able to hit some amazing shots tonight, but after what I just saw, I can't contain myself anymore. The Suns have been getting clobbered all night and been called for ticky tack shit. Ken Mauer and company have been amazingly inconsistent.

Amazingly consistent, actually. Call everything against the Suns...

If I were the League, I'd be investigating the refs.

why? so they can just say.. oh.. well yeah, the rule against calling the games fairly was outdated, so we're not going to punish anyone. except the suns.

*half jokingly*

[y2jjedipimp]

wow frustrating loss...we got beat at our own game...Stoudamire got outplayed by Skinner...and he only played 1 half...Marion made M Ellis look like M Jordan...Thank God DA kept Skinner in else we'd have gotten torched by alot more...I can handle losing to the Warriors once in awhile but I hate that they beat us at our own game

[SpecialSauce]

Your insults are as effective as James Jones's jumpshot Swing

Really?

Then why take the time to respond?

Fucking hypocrite.....

Because youre an old man that gets angry about everything and everyone....and I find it amusing to toy with you.


SaucyKarbasi wrote:
Nash is 95% of the problem on defense. They are abusing him in the halfcourt set, forcing the double team...and the rotations are late. He's getting posted up by whoever he is guarding.


Yet when I say the same damn thing, I get lit up by you?

Hunker down on the snotty end of my fuckstick, pal.



No, you put the blame on Boris. Every season you find your whipping boy and just pin the blame on him no matter what. When they have a good game, you refuse to admit it. This year its Boris, and he was not even close to being the reason we lost tonight...he had the offense flowing beautifully while Nash was out. The entire back court blew nuts on defense tonight, from Nash to Barbosa to Raja. Your statements are 100% based on your emotions and have no real connection to what actually happened on the court.

[y2jjedipimp]

Catharsis wrote:
Golden State has been able to hit some amazing shots tonight, but after what I just saw, I can't contain myself anymore. The Suns have been getting clobbered all night and been called for ticky tack shit. Ken Mauer and company have been amazingly inconsistent.


Amazingly consistent, actually. Call everything against the Suns...

If I were the League, I'd be investigating the refs.


oh yeah almost forgot about that...the 2 offensive fouls...one against Boris then another on Stoudamire? wtf? and the fouls on skinner when Azidookie came down on his ankle then fell out of bounds? where was the foul? i expected the suns to get the ball

[SpecialSauce]

Saucy, Swing, will you please cut it out?

I'm perfectly willing if Saucy is, cap. He/she's the one who started in with the name calling.

"Oh wow Boris just can't get a break on this board. He's playing awesome and youre still on his balls"

Oh yeah, bigtime name calling, Grumpy.

[SwingMan]

Toy with me?

Dude, I shit bigger than you if your attitude is any indication.

Old man? Had no idea that 36 was "up there".

How old are you, 11? Dumb question, I know.....

[SpecialSauce]

Toy with me?

Dude, I shit bigger than you if your attitude is any indication.

Old man? Had no idea that 36 was "up there".

How old are you, 11? Dumb question, I know.....

Nah, I didn't mean age wise, I mean in the way you strut your stuff around here ready to snap at anyone and everyone that questions your statements.

I'm 20

[SwingMan]

Saucy, Swing, will you please cut it out?

I'm perfectly willing if Saucy is, cap. He/she's the one who started in with the name calling.

"Oh wow Boris just can't get a break on this board. He's playing awesome and youre still on his balls"

Oh yeah, bigtime name calling, Grumpy.

And a selective memory to boot. :lol:

Reference http://www.phxsuns.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=281249#28 1249:





Hill's hesitating and Nash is off his floor game - can't hold onto the ball for dick.

Oh yeah, some hustle on D and Boris paying attention on rotations might be nice as well. Good thing is that you're never out of the game against the Warriors.

Mike? Wanna get Skinner in there to lay some wood on these fuckers and make 'em think twice about waltzing into the lane?

72-63 Warriors - They ain't gonna go through the 2nd half with just 3 turnovers.

Oh wow Boris just can't get a break on this board. He's playing awesome and youre still on his balls

Bite my ass, Saucy. Boris sucks on D tonight.

fuck yourself hag

Enough said.

[CharlesV]

I am about ready to scratch my eyes out. We are barely even into a bakers dozens worth of games so far this season, and all hell has broken loose.

I woke up to read the paper this morning, and we had best Suns team ever to take the court. Less than a day later, we dont amount to jack squat.

Put the Alzheimer's away folks, we are still gonna get the ring.

[JediSkywalker]

wow frustrating loss...we got beat at our own game...Stoudamire got outplayed by Skinner...and he only played 1 half...Marion made M Ellis look like M Jordan...Thank God DA kept Skinner in else we'd have gotten torched by alot more...I can handle losing to the Warriors once in awhile but I hate that they beat us at our own game

Is Amare having serious knee problems? I heard the announcer say before the game that STAT's knee felt tight.The Suns can't win without him. It concerns me. We will not go as far as we did in 2006 without him.

[Jinx]

Holy shit..shut the fuck up guys...I didnt get on the boards to read this shit. So knock it off! Damn!

[SwingMan]

In other happenings tonight, maybe we can chalk it up - partially - to the night. Looks like a funky Monday with the boxes. Check it:

NY 113 (home)
Utah 109 (road)

Minnesota 103 (road)
NO 94 (home)

Wiz 110 (road)
Dallas 98 (home)

SA 99 (road)
Sac 112 (home)

Funky Monday.....

[v9]

wow frustrating loss...we got beat at our own game...Stoudamire got outplayed by Skinner...and he only played 1 half...Marion made M Ellis look like M Jordan...Thank God DA kept Skinner in else we'd have gotten torched by alot more...I can handle losing to the Warriors once in awhile but I hate that they beat us at our own game

Is Amare having serious knee problems? I heard the announcer say before the game that STAT's knee felt tight.The Suns can't win without him. It concerns me. We will not go as far as we did in 2006 without him.

A bit worried about it as well. Amare just doesn't have the spring he had in his legs late in preseason...

[AZSportsFan]

This is the third game after a two day layoff for the team, and they have sucked in every one. They have won two of them, but looked pretty poor in doing it. Anyways, the Warriors are big and if they WANT to play well, they can beat anyone. They played a beautiful game, just like we did vs Sacto. I hope that the Suns are better than Sacto, but it can happen to anyone.

Better luck next time. And Barbs should be starting. Bell no longer really provides much defense, and the decent defense that Hill had been playing definitely did NOT show up tonight. Most everyone was pretty bad, and when the Warriors - or any team - are shooting at that clip and at that pace - GOODNIGHT!

[JackArse]

wow frustrating loss...we got beat at our own game...Stoudamire got outplayed by Skinner...and he only played 1 half...Marion made M Ellis look like M Jordan...Thank God DA kept Skinner in else we'd have gotten torched by alot more...I can handle losing to the Warriors once in awhile but I hate that they beat us at our own game

Is Amare having serious knee problems? I heard the announcer say before the game that STAT's knee felt tight.The Suns can't win without him. It concerns me. We will not go as far as we did in 2006 without him.

i wouldn't look too much into it.. at least not yet, majerle even said it was cold in the bldg, and whe nit's cold, it's gonna be a little stiff. what i don't understand though is why he doesn't at least wear a sleeve on there to at least keep it warm. hell, i didn't even play tonight and i had to wear mine. hehe

[JediSkywalker]

On a given day the Warriors can beat any team in the NBA. I am not convinced they can do it consistently. They will cool down. The Suns just happened to catch them on a hot shooting night. The questionable officiating did not help either, but I am not going to blame the refs for this loss. The Suns just did not look sharp and the Warriors did. Hopefully it's an aberration, but with STAT and Raja not at close to 100% the Suns are seriously handicapped. I think that was a part of the problem tonight.

[SwingMan]

This is the third game after a two day layoff for the team, and they have sucked in every one. They have won two of them, but looked pretty poor in doing it. Anyways, the Warriors are big and if they WANT to play well, they can beat anyone. They played a beautiful game, just like we did vs Sacto. I hope that the Suns are better than Sacto, but it can happen to anyone.

Better luck next time. And Barbs should be starting. Bell no longer really provides much defense, and the decent defense that Hill had been playing definitely did NOT show up tonight. Most everyone was pretty bad, and when the Warriors - or any team - are shooting at that clip and at that pace - GOODNIGHT!

Very true - I never took into account the "layoff" factor that the Suns are notorious for. Chrissakes, this team rusts quicker than bare metal.

Agreed on Bell as well. Whether it's his back or his ankle, he ain't right - and he needs to sit and square himself away while Babs regains his rhythm as a starter.

[JediSkywalker]

I was concerned about this game before the game because this weekend all teams from Cal beat all teams from Arizona. USC beat ASU; 49rs beat the Cardinals in a bizzarre game. Even the Raiders won this weekend - they beat KC- OK, that's not an AZ team, but California is just lucky in sports right now.

The good news is that the Spurs and the Mavs also lost. Now if the Celtics lose (to anyone), it will be nice.

[Superbone]

Fred Carter picked the Warriors to win. Also said they’ll score at least 120.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Mad Dog. Living up to your name, you are mad.


mad dog is a idiot

Is he?

[DrSublime]

ah fuck the Warriors!

[Mori_Chu]

Tough loss, but I'm not too worried about it. The Warriors embody streakiness, and as another poster said, on any given night they could beat anybody if they're hot.

The only major discouraging thing I saw was how badly we continue to play defense. I don't really think this team can win a title if we let teams score on us so easily. If anything the defense seems worse than last year, possibly because of the loss of Iavaroni. Skinner helps, when we play him.

Another quibble: Why the hell did we leave our starters in so long? Why were Amare and Marion on the floor with 2 minutes left? This game was over with 5-6 minutes left. Should have pulled our starters by then.

[Superbone]

This game was over with 5-6 minutes left. Should have pulled our starters by then.

How long have you been watching the NBA? Wow.

[Nodack]

The Suns have been playing better defense until tonight. From my view the Suns played good offense and the Warriors played great offense. The Suns played almost no defense and the Warriors played a little defense. Jackson, Davis and especially Ellis killed us on the offensive end.

I didn't agree with every call, but I don't feel the refs lost the game for the Suns.

I think Nelly is king of small ball, knows Nash better than himself, they had a game plan ready for the Suns and I'm sure highly motivated.

I was also jealous of their fans. They were loud and proud and I didn't see anybody on a cell phone. :)

As far as Nash's turnovers go I think you have to chalk up some of those to guys not being ready for the pass. I can think of 4 off the top of my head between Marion and Amare where they had easy hoops if they had been ready to catch the ball. The one that really stuck out was a fast break with Marion at the front of the pack and Nash makes a perfect pass that goes off of Marions upper leg two steps from the basket and he had no idea it was coming because he was looking straight ahead.

This game proves the Suns will never win a Championship. The Kings beat up on the Spurs tonight too which proves the Spurs will never win a Championship either. :cool:

[CNY_xplant]

Ahhh. I love the fresh smell of doom and gloom in the morning.

That seals it. The Suns no longer have a chance at winning anything.
They LOST a game. That means that they all suck, even Nash with his two undeserved MVPs.
Amare is a washout who should have been traded for anybody this summer.
Someone needs to take Diaw and Coach out back and put a bullet in each of their heads.

We are actually starting to resemble Miami with all of these washed up players who don't have an ounce of talent left in any of them.

:roll:

SON OF B**** GUYS!!!! Must be I've been sipping at the Kool-Aid, because the negative attitude around here is making me ill. You'd think that we've gone 3-11 this year. We have room to improve, and it is the first month of the season.

If I keep reading through the crap to get to anything of value, I just may have to scratch my eyes out. I'm done here. I'll definitely miss the commentaries of many of the folks around here, even Worm's. But i just can't continue feeling like slitting my wrists every time I want to read some information on the team.

[Velo]

Did anyone notice that Shawn Marion has no post up moves? He looked like a sack of potatoes last night. The way he played made me regret him not wanting to sign that extension with Boston allowing KG come to Phoenix. If Shawn keeps playing that way he wont get the nice fat extension from Phoenix that he's been after and none of us will be happy.

*****n' learn to post up and finish! jeez! Learn how to jump shoot. he's got that stupid flip-shot and that's it...

[Velo]

Agreed, Nodack, that was a hell of a crowd. they should play tapes of that over the speakers in AWA (or whatever its called now).

i liked how diaw played. hill played good... he's just not used to the no-calls....

...those warriors were like gorillas and the refs didn't do anything.

[Mori_Chu]

How long have you been watching the NBA? Wow.

Maybe 5-6 minutes is too many, but don't you think the game was decided long before Coach pulled Nash out? (And he never did pull others like Amare and Shawn out.) We were down by around 15 with a few minutes to go and no real signs of any run in us.

To touch on a few other things: I don't think the refs decided the game. There were a few calls of charging vs. blocking foul that I wasn't thrilled about, but mostly it was just that the Warriors nailed so many huge 3s on us, and got a lot of easy layups. Our defense was terrible, except when Skinner and Amare were both in, at which point it went from terrible to mediocre.

[JackArse]

mori, basically the way the game was being ref'd, yes, i think the starters should've been pulled, just to make sure they didn't get hurt.

and for both you and nodack, definitely agree the suns deserved to lose this game, and was not decided by the refs, but it should've been much closer than it was.

the defense was bad on the switches as they just kept running our pick and roll to perfection, but even with hands in their faces they were nailing everything. it was their night.

nelly knows the weaknesses of nash and exploits them, just like he knew the weaknesses of dallas.. and exploited them. he's a smart coach against people he's coached before.

one thing i have said about the suns though, i don't care what team it is.. EVERY team brings their A game against the suns. even the east teams, if they only get up for 1 or 2 games a year.. it's against the suns.

[Superbone]

Sorry guys, I've been watching the NBA for a long time. You can make up 10 points in a minute. It happens sometimes. Just didn't happen for us last night. Coach played it right. No reason to give up prematurely.

[desertcoast]

one thing i have said about the suns though, i don't care what team it is.. EVERY team brings their A game against the suns. even the east teams, if they only get up for 1 or 2 games a year.. it's against the suns.

so true, JackArse. Which means even a mediocre team who is *up* for the Suns can catch them on a subpar night and crush them.

Golden State is a good team who had a great night and the Suns weren't at their best=recipe for a loss.
I don't read much more into this game than that.

[SwingMan]

one thing i have said about the suns though, i don't care what team it is.. EVERY team brings their A game against the suns. even the east teams, if they only get up for 1 or 2 games a year.. it's against the suns.

so true, JackArse. Which means even a mediocre team who is *up* for the Suns can catch them on a subpar night and crush them.

Golden State is a good team who had a great night and the Suns weren't at their best=recipe for a loss.
I don't read much more into this game than that.

Word.

One thing the Suns haven't learned yet is that every team is gonna get up for one of the league's best EVERY night.

They've also got to learn that, when healthy, GS ain't the doormat they've been in recent years - I overlooked the fact that last night was the first time all season that they've had their entire line-up.

That said, Monta Ellis was just in orbit last night. 7-7 in the 4th quarter with a hand in his face on every shot. He misses 2-3 of those shots, the Suns could've spent less time on that threat and close down other areas.

[v9]

Plain and simple reasons for the Suns' loss:

(1) The Suns are a veteran team that took the Warriors quite lightly.

(2) The Warriors were really looking to make a statement against one of the WC superpowers (besides Dallas, whom they already own).

(3) The refs let the Warriors get away with murder because they were being uber-aggressive on defense. On one hand, it's worth castigating the refs. On the other, the Warriors deserve credit for continuing to be aggressive once the refs kept on making mistake after mistake after mistake.

(4) Amare obviously isn't at 100%. Watching him in the last two preseason games - and the games since his "layoff" - look night and day. Where's the "bounce" in his step? In late October, he was looking like the pre-microfracture freak of nature...hopefully it is a temporary setback.

[LazarusLong]

The Suns are a veteran team that took the Warriors quite lightly

I hope not. Golden State ran the Suns out of their place late last season, and the Warriors kicked the crap out of Dallas in the playoffs.

That "veteran team" excuse doesn't wash. Veteran teams know which opponents are trouble ... the Warriors at home are trouble.

[SherD]

The Suns are a veteran team that took the Warriors quite lightly

I hope not. Golden State ran the Suns out of their place late last season, and the Warriors kicked the crap out of Dallas in the playoffs.

That "veteran team" excuse doesn't wash. Veteran teams know which opponents are trouble ... the Warriors at home are trouble.

Word, LL.

The Suns are a damn good team, but let's not pretend that our only obstacles to winning it all are the Spurs and refs.

[cap]

SON OF B**** GUYS!!!! Must be I've been sipping at the Kool-Aid, because the negative attitude around here is making me ill. You'd think that we've gone 3-11 this year.
What’s our record in games against teams that don’t completely suck? 1-3? 2-3 if you count the Cavs as a legit opponent, but that’s a stretch. The Sonics, Bobcats, Heat, Knicks, Bulls, McGrady-less Rockets, Kings, Kings again, and Clippers all suck. That 11-3 record is a mirage. Against legit opponents, we’re 1-3 or 2-3. Against Western Conference opponents with a pulse, we’re 0-2, and neither loss was even competitive.

<Jor-El>
This is no fantasy. No careless product of wild downerist imagination. No, my friends. These are matters of undeniable fact. I ask you now to pronounce judgment on the accused.
</Jor-El>

[darrkin]

true dat....that the main thing im a little worried about is that we are not really competing with the good teams..its still early though and i think we are getting better. I have to admit, Hill is much better than at the start of season. Also a big key will be how Amare progresses, if he does we are gonna be fine.

[AmareIsGod]

SON OF B**** GUYS!!!! Must be I've been sipping at the Kool-Aid, because the negative attitude around here is making me ill. You'd think that we've gone 3-11 this year.
What’s our record in games against teams that don’t completely suck? 1-3? 2-3 if you count the Cavs as a legit opponent, but that’s a stretch. The Sonics, Bobcats, Heat, Knicks, Bulls, McGrady-less Rockets, Kings, Kings again, and Clippers all suck. That 11-3 record is a mirage. Against legit opponents, we’re 1-3 or 2-3. Against Western Conference opponents with a pulse, we’re 0-2, and neither loss was even competitive.

<Jor-El>
This is no fantasy. No careless product of wild downerist imagination. No, my friends. These are matters of undeniable fact. I ask you now to pronounce judgment on the accused.
</Jor-El>

I judge thou Debbie Downer!

When are you ever going to praise this team this year? They can do no right by you. Even if we were undefeated you would lay claim to it being a big "WHOOPTIE" because we haven't played San Antonio, Dallas, Boston, etc., yet. You even make a point to throw in "McGrady-less Houston". And the Suns were 100% that game huh? Pfff... You would flip our success if we were undefeated and say we haven't beaten a legit opponent yet instead of saying we have a losing record against legit opponents. Season is young my friend. Season is young. Hopefully you'll come around, sit down the Haterade and jump on the fanwagon soon enough.

[Nodack]

We have definitely been a divided Suns nation this year and I guess it is what it is. We each are going to be fans in our own way. Both sides of the "glass" so to say, have irritated each other to no end and we have lost at least three posters that I know of over it. I know Swingman and I have traded barbs over it too and that's too bad because we are buds normally. Laz even got mad at me over a response to one of his posts awhile back. In that case my post was a sarcastic jab at the negative people and Laz didn't catch the sarcastic part and thought I was attacking him when I actually agreed with him. Sorry Laz.

We most likely aren't going to be able to change the opinions of each other so we should get used to that and learn to deal with it without getting too pissed off at each other. I promise I will not use one curse word used in anger towards anybody else on this site.

The optimist says "You have to prove to me that they can't win a Championship before I'll stop believing in them."

The pessimist says "You have to prove to me that they can win a Championship before I will start to believe in them."

I'm with AmareIsGod. Optimist all the way. It makes life much more enjoyable for me.

Now back to the fun.


What’s our record in games against teams that don’t completely suck? 1-3? 2-3 if you count the Cavs as a legit opponent, but that’s a stretch. The Sonics, Bobcats, Heat, Knicks, Bulls, McGrady-less Rockets, Kings, Kings again, and Clippers all suck. That 11-3 record is a mirage. Against legit opponents, we’re 1-3 or 2-3. Against Western Conference opponents with a pulse, we’re 0-2, and neither loss was even competitive.

It's a game and there will be some nights during the season that the crappiest teams in the league will take out the best teams in the league. S.A. lost on the same night to Sacramento who "sucks". Not to mention a couple other good teams like Dallas and the Jazz to lesser teams. Does that mean that SA, Dallas and the Jazz are crappy teams then? Golden State at home with all of their guns and highly motivated team and crowd isn't an easy victory anybody much less the Suns who they match up well against.


2-3 if you count the Cavs as a legit opponent

They were in the finals last year and they just beat Boston tonight. Either Boston sucks or the Cavs are a legit opponent or the Cavs were good tonight and Boston just sucked tonight. Either way it doesn't matter.

My point is that any team can beat any other team on any given night and that is proven over and over. No we haven't played SA or Dallas yet, but then again they haven't played us either if you know what I mean.

S.A.

Kings-W-Suck
Rockets-L-Pulse
Miami-W-Suck
N.O.-W-Pulse
Bucks-W-Pulse
Lakers-W-Pulse
Dallas-L-Good
Rockets-W-Pulse
Atlanta-W-Suck
Magic-W-Good
Memphis-W-Suck
Seattle-W-Suck
Kings-L-Suck

The pessimistic fans in S.A. must be about ready to cash in the season already losing to the Rockets, Dallas and now the Kings.

We can play these games forever and not prove a whole lot of anything. Good teams lose to crappy teams sometimes and we can't judge a team against teams they haven't played yet. It doesn't matter anyways. The Suns could be 7-7 against the 14 crappiest teams in the NBA and the optimists will still be positive because they are optimists and fans of the team regardless of their record.

[Mori_Chu]

An important difference is, the Spurs acknowledge publicly that the regular season is just a warmup for the playoffs. With that in mind, they never burn out their guys over a regular season game, they work with all their players to find out who can contribute in the playoffs, they develop roles for every player on the team, etc. A win is almost gravy for them; the real thing they win is an 82-game practice session to get ready for the playoffs.

For us, we clearly have a team and coach that takes the attitude that we must win every single regular season game. He'll play our stars every minute he has to, to try to achieve that goal. So when we lose, we know that we really lost when we tried our hardest. Also, he puts no faith whatsoever in players beyond the top 7 or so, which means there's no real reason for hope or optimism when we fail, because there's no chance that some other player off the bench will make an unexpected contribution. The feeling you're left with is, "This was all we had. We played it with a tight rotation like it was a WC semifinal game. And we played like crap and lost."

The only conclusion you can make is that the Spurs are a significantly better team than we are, mostly because of the attitude and approach of their coaching staff.

[LazarusLong]

Laz even got mad at me over a response to one of his posts awhile back. In that case my post was a sarcastic jab at the negative people and Laz didn't catch the sarcastic part and thought I was attacking him when I actually agreed with him. Sorry Laz.

No apology need, 'dak. You rock, as always.

[LazarusLong]

The only conclusion you can make is that the Spurs are a significantly better team than we are, mostly because of the attitude and approach of their coaching staff.

Agree. Some may argue with the term "significantly", but you can't argue that the Spurs have our number, at least for the time being.

It's not personnel, though. I believe, on paper, this team has the horses to beat the Spurs.

[Superbone]

The only conclusion you can make is that the Spurs are a significantly better team than we are, mostly because of the attitude and approach of their coaching staff.

Wrong. That's the only conclusion you can make. Don't tell me what conclusions I can or can't make. We don't have nearly enough data to jump to any conclusions at this point. Only past years' data. Let's wait until we play each other before we play the jump to conclusions game. The Spurs haven't done any better than us this year to date.

[AmareIsGod]

An important difference is, the Spurs acknowledge publicly that the regular season is just a warmup for the playoffs. With that in mind, they never burn out their guys over a regular season game, they work with all their players to find out who can contribute in the playoffs, they develop roles for every player on the team, etc. A win is almost gravy for them; the real thing they win is an 82-game practice session to get ready for the playoffs.

For us, we clearly have a team and coach that takes the attitude that we must win every single regular season game. He'll play our stars every minute he has to, to try to achieve that goal. So when we lose, we know that we really lost when we tried our hardest. Also, he puts no faith whatsoever in players beyond the top 7 or so, which means there's no real reason for hope or optimism when we fail, because there's no chance that some other player off the bench will make an unexpected contribution. The feeling you're left with is, "This was all we had. We played it with a tight rotation like it was a WC semifinal game. And we played like crap and lost."

The only conclusion you can make is that the Spurs are a significantly better team than we are, mostly because of the attitude and approach of their coaching staff.

I lost my ability to reason with your logic after the boldfaced points you made. You really think that when we lose, we always tried our hardest? I'm not left with "This was all we had. We played like it was a WC semifinal game and lost. It's the end of the world. We put it all on the line and we're just not a good enough team to beat our opponent."

I know you think the Spurs are significantly better than we are. That they play the regular season like it's just a warm up and could care less if they win or lose (because nobody cares about home court advantage right). That they don't really try or put all out effort. That a loss should have an asterick next to it because it was an "experiment" game for the Spurs.

Yes, the Suns are horrible. Coach D should be fired. They only beat inferior opponents. I might "sip the koolaid". But the only problems I see are:

A) Amare isn't nearly as dominant or explosive as he's been in the past. Hopefully it's a product of conditioning, but it has been bothersome to watch thus far. I really hope he improves.

B) Turnovers.

C) Grant Hill playing a lot of minutes. I think this will change as the season moves forward. Or at least, it better dammit.

D) DJ and Tucker getting pine time in favor of Pike. What the hell Coach. PIKE? Give me a break.

Relax, put the Haterade back in the fridge and enjoy this team. Believe me, it's alot more fun enjoying the positives instead of having an ulcer killing yourself over every negative. There are other teams to cheer for if this team is as bad as some of you make it seem. I know the Spurs are always recruiting fans that ride their nuts and enjoy their style of grind ball and cheat shot antics.

[misteradiant]

seriously Nodak. I gotta get the info to subscribe to your newsletter. spot on with your post from Nov 27, 2007 - 08:49 PM.

as for those members who scrammed because they take this much too seriously; what grade school reactionary suicide note crap.

dear everybody;

you were mean to me so i am killing myself. it's all your fault.

- wasn't breast fed

if they're going to let some posters on a message board determine the acts of their lives, i can only hope they don't vote. what a weak transposition of their own inability to stand up for what they believe in. i understand taking a break, and i have done that on a few occasions since 2002. but they quit instead of standing strong with posts that stated basically "i'm leaving because some people disagree with me." good riddance to such dainty emotional constitutions.

[AmareIsGod]

I'm not leaving or quitting. I'll stand strong behind my feelings and beliefs. Opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. I think it's more fun when we disagree so long as it doesn't lead to personal attacks and total assholism which, thankfully, it hasn't resorted to with myself and any other posters thus far.

[SwingMan]

Laz even got mad at me over a response to one of his posts awhile back. In that case my post was a sarcastic jab at the negative people and Laz didn't catch the sarcastic part and thought I was attacking him when I actually agreed with him. Sorry Laz.

No apology need, 'dak. You rock, as always.

Ditto, Laz.

Takes two to tango Nodack - I'm as much at fault for my rants.

Next round's on me, cool? :D

[Nodack]

Phxsuns.net is my news letter or as close as I get.

Mori let me see if I have this right. The Spurs only lose games because they weren't trying to win them making it OK, so it's not the same as when the Suns lose a game bacause they were trying to win. Of course every game the Suns lose half the people come on pissed off that the Suns weren't trying hard enough. I didn't catch the press conference with Pop after they lost to the Kings. Did he come out and say "This loss didn't count because we weren't trying very hard"?

Mori, you have painted the Suns into a no win situation with the fans like yourself if they don't win every single game. Even it they win every game it was because they were burning out their players so now they will suck in the playoffs. The Spurs can squeak onto the playoffs as the last seed and it will be all by their clever master plan and not because they lost any games they shouldn't have. So basically the Spurs can't do anything that could be construed as wrong. If they win all of their games it's because they are so good. If they lose a bunch of games it was because they were experimenting and not trying to win making it all right too.

Since some of you don't like D'Antoni as a coach or at least don't like his coaching style or substitution pattern you will consider every win a loss of sorts and every loss proof that they won't win a Championship. I think you could save a lot of time by either switching to being Spurs fans for awhile until they stop being contenders or just blowing off the Suns until they get a new coach that you will approve of. It would save a lot of time having to post the same complaints over and over again.

[Nodack]

Ditto, Laz.

Takes two to tango Nodack - I'm as much at fault for my rants.

Next round's on me, cool?

How about we buy each other a round?

[AmareIsGod]

Nodack... That post brought a tear to my eye. You spoke my mind in much better words than I could evoke. Bravo, fine sir. Bravo! Create a newsletter and I'll be your first subscriber.

It's ridiculous how Mori's post made it sound like the Spurs losing is part of a normal, experimental regular season lack of effort, masterplan of no importance sort of ordeal and the Suns losses as us not being "good enough" and our wins as "Coach D slave riding his players until they break down come playoffs". *END OF RUN ON SENTENCE*

[Nodack]

A) Amare isn't nearly as dominant or explosive as he's been in the past. Hopefully it's a product of conditioning, but it has been bothersome to watch thus far. I really hope he improves.


I also think it might have something to do with his foul trouble making him afraid to try anything explosive since most of the time it results in an offensive foul.

[LazarusLong]

How about we buy each other a round?


I exercise extreme self control. I never drink anything stronger than gin before breakfast.

(attributed to W.C. Fields)

[SwingMan]

Dig it, Nodack. :D

[JackArse]

A) Amare isn't nearly as dominant or explosive as he's been in the past. Hopefully it's a product of conditioning, but it has been bothersome to watch thus far. I really hope he improves.


I also think it might have something to do with his foul trouble making him afraid to try anything explosive since most of the time it results in an offensive foul.

nodack, it seems that, based on the last few posts along with mine here, that you should just be the only one that posts.

i agree with this complete, it's what's i've tried to say from some standpoints. obviously, there are times that he makes some dumb fouls, but there are other times that.. they're not fouls, they just get called on him because he's amare.

good times.. good times.

[CNY_xplant]

seriously Nodak. I gotta get the info to subscribe to your newsletter. spot on with your post from Nov 27, 2007 - 08:49 PM.

as for those members who scrammed because they take this much too seriously; what grade school reactionary suicide note crap.

dear everybody;

you were mean to me so i am killing myself. it's all your fault.

- wasn't breast fed

if they're going to let some posters on a message board determine the acts of their lives, i can only hope they don't vote. what a weak transposition of their own inability to stand up for what they believe in. i understand taking a break, and i have done that on a few occasions since 2002. but they quit instead of standing strong with posts that stated basically "i'm leaving because some people disagree with me." good riddance to such dainty emotional constitutions.

MR
No offense to you, because I respect you and your posts. I don't always understand, but I do respect. I have to say that I have taken offense with your statement. (Yeah, I checked back in to find any news about tonight's game.)

I firmly believe that disagreements are a part of what makes this site what it is. If everybody agreed with each other, what would be the point? It would just be another news/blog site. What has gotten to me is the constant defeatist attitude and posts from some of the members. And I'm talking about the ones that bring the hate of a particular player or the coach in every post, or the ones that proclaim that the season is over or we can't win because of whatever. I didn't decide to leave because someone disagreed with me. I decided to leave because if I wanted to listen to a bunch of whining and bitching, then I would hang out with the kids. I don't need to be continuously bombarded with such negativity. I get enough of that from real life. I come here to chill out with other Suns fans, read news, discuss games, and just have a good time.

I am by no means someone that drinks the Kool-Aid and doesn't realize that there are some things that should be changed. This team has some weaknesses. Unfortunately, no amount of bitching and complaining from the fans will change that. There is a difference in discussing those weaknesses and what could be done to resolve them, and bitching about them incessantly or playing the doom and gloom card.

No, the team has not been playing the best it should be able to. But, that will come. Now is the time for changes and experiments to happen regarding the rotations. I'd rather accept a few losses now and find the right rotations and minutes per player.

It's only November. If we're still playing like this after the All-Star break, then I agree that our chances to win it all have diminished greatly. But, how can anyone predict that now? Any team can win on any given night over another. Anybody who has watched the NBA for any period of time should recognize that. It doesn't mean that GSW is a better team just because they beat us on their court ONCE. It just means that we either didn't take the game seriously enough, we were disinterested, GS played above their usual level, and the list can go on.

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hey bigfan, it's all good. it seems that i have once again been misunderstood. i was saying that disagreements are a part of it all and are no big deal, same as you. some fans are a little too reactionary when we lose. some fans think we stand little chance to win the championship this year. some don't like coach or think amare should be traded. some just want to root for the team we've got and chill out on the doom and gloom trade scenarios. whatever. the board is what it is (channeling dennis green). some freak out, some don't. as long as i am not calling someone, or being called by someone, some over-the-top insult, it just rolls off my back. i've had the luxury to meet a lot of the folks that post here like cap, lazarus, swing, sose and more. i don't always agree with what they post, but they are all good men and i enjoy their company. i simply figure everyone here is like that and in the end we all want our team to win. some have a funny way of showing that, but i am not one to judge (ahem).

my post was a bit of an smear on those who have left. if they truly left, then they won't even know. if they are lurking, then i mock them. that's what they get for scampering away like children. they did not appreciate the differences here and they can stay gone for all i care. if they change their minds, then i am sure i speak for everyone when i say welcome back. until then, i could care less about the opinion of those who treat the opinions of others with such disdain that they would leave such a great place over differing philosophies. could you imagine a presidential candidate just walking off the stage during a debate because he or she disagrees with another candidate? america would castigate that schmo.

i agree with you. it's november. get a grip. some are acting like the championship is owed to us. it isn't. be a fan and roll with the punches. hope and pray for the best. live with the outcome.

peace, motherfuckers.

[CNY_xplant]

hey bigfan, it's all good. it seems that i have once again been misunderstood. i was saying that disagreements are a part of it all and are no big deal, same as you. some fans are a little too reactionary when we lose. some fans think we stand little chance to win the championship this year. some don't like coach or think amare should be traded. some just want to root for the team we've got and chill out on the doom and gloom trade scenarios. whatever. the board is what it is (channeling dennis green). some freak out, some don't. as long as i am not calling someone, or being called by someone, some over-the-top insult, it just rolls off my back. i've had the luxury to meet a lot of the folks that post here like cap, lazarus, swing, sose and more. i don't always agree with what they post, but they are all good men and i enjoy their company. i simply figure everyone here is like that and in the end we all want our team to win. some have a funny way of showing that, but i am not one to judge (ahem).

my post was a bit of an smear on those who have left. if they truly left, then they won't even know. if they are lurking, then i mock them. that's what they get for scampering away like children. they did not appreciate the differences here and they can stay gone for all i care. if they change their minds, then i am sure i speak for everyone when i say welcome back. until then, i could care less about the opinion of those who treat the opinions of others with such disdain that they would leave such a great place over differing philosophies. could you imagine a presidential candidate just walking off the stage during a debate because he or she disagrees with another candidate? america would castigate that schmo.

i agree with you. it's november. get a grip. some are acting like the championship is owed to us. it isn't. be a fan and roll with the punches. hope and pray for the best. live with the outcome.

peace, motherfuckers.

Shel is the only one I have had the privilege to meet from this board. Living in NY doesn't bode well for attending events in the Valley.

I fully respect everyone's opinions on the board. I don't always agree with them, and I have been known to call some of the posters out on them. Respectfully, of course.

Negativity just happens to be one of those things that can start to have an effect on a person after being subjected to it at any gross level. Some are affected more easily than others, but everyone will be affected eventually. Like I said, I am surrounded by enough of it every day to satisfy my recommended daily intake.

It's the overreactions that affect me the most.
As you most eloquently stated
it's november. get a grip. some are acting like the championship is owed to us. it isn't. be a fan and roll with the punches. hope and pray for the best. live with the outcome.

All of this is precisely why I stopped posting as much as I had been. If the pessimists could just lighten up a bit, this site would be more enjoyable, and I would start posting more.

We're all in this together. Let's pull together and stop fighting amongst ourselves and get on with the season. This is the year. The team will eventually get it together and start blasting through the opponents like we should be. There's just going to be a lot of bumps in the road before it all gets better.

Regarding minutes and the rotation, I have a feeling that once the first 8 or 9 players start to mesh together better, we'll start to see more of the rookies. i believe that Coach is playing everyone the minutes he has them at to give them enough time to pull it together early on. Once we're all healthy and clicking on all cylinders, we'll start to see more balance on the floor.

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I think he did misunderstand you mr. You guys are basically on the same page except bigfan is tired of the negativity and doesn't want to deal with it and you say he should stay and fight for what he believes in.

I
firmly believe that disagreements are a part of what makes this site what it is. If everybody agreed with each other, what would be the point? It would just be another news/blog site. What has gotten to me is the constant defeatist attitude and posts from some of the members.

Then set them straight. This whole season has turned into quite the soap opera among us fans and I'm actually starting to get used to it. The whole optimist side of me has found it has made the season actually a little more interesting and dramatic and as long as nobody goes balistic it's all good.


i agree with you. it's november. get a grip. some are acting like the championship is owed to us. it isn't. be a fan and roll with the punches. hope and pray for the best. live with the outcome.

Well said.